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« Wednesday Racket (OT) MC Davis Cup »
Sheikh Roger
Posted 02/08/2007 @ 6 :56 PM

Sorry I'm a little late getting to this post; it's been a tough day. I needed to get my passport out via Fed-Ex (no pun - or bad headline - intended) so it can be expedited in time for our family trip to Belize later this month (I'll solicit traveler advice in an OT post closer to our ETD).  I don't know about you, but my handwriting is awful and I'm bad at filling out forms and extra bad at filling out waybills etc. Long and short of it: I went through four different, identical forms and three different Fed-Ex envelopes before I got it right. What the hail is wrong with me, anyway? (The question is rhetorical, BTW).

Anyway, you all know we've been having a very sprightly discussion about Roger Federer missing the Davis Cup this weekend (bulletin: Stan The Man Wawrinka is out as well; he injured his knee pretty badly in practice. Spain should send in B te - C te - D team). My ESPN post on  Davis Cup and the U.S. is up, and this post is only tangentially related to it. So we can start from scratch.

SheiksThe most interesting thing to me about TMF skipping the Davis Cup tie with Spain (let's forget all about Wawrinka's injury for a moment) is that it reveals the bind he was put into - or into which he leaped, perhaps with his eyes not quite wide open - by becoming so cozy with the tournament and, it appears, the powers-that-be in the autocratic Emirate of Dubai.

I'm not going to get into the well-documented human rights issues at play in Dubai -suffice it to say that even good ole middle-brow Wikipedia sees fit to mention them in its brief, main entry (you can use the Search bar on the right if you want to see my previous thoughts on the subject).

Let's look at this strictly as a tennis issue. It seems to me that Roger didn't want to insert Davis Cup into his extended, post-Australian Open vacation in the sunny climes of Dubai. It seems equally obvious that he has a long piece of work to look forward to: playing Dubai, Indian Wells and Miami (the latter two Masters Series events) back-to-back-to-back. Now let's assume that TMF is making his performance in majors and, to a lesser degree, Masters Series events, his priority. He's playing to be the GOAT, right? He's all over history, right?  He's a proud traditionalist, right?

Making those assumptions, you have a right to ask, "What the hail is he doing playing Dubai?"

Of course, we all know the answer to that. He's making a lot of dough. God bless him.

The fact is, Dubai sticks out of this schedule like a sore thumb. Remove it and insert Davis Cup and you have a schedule that more cleanly and clearly conforms to the priorities that TMF seems to have embraced. He would have almost two weeks off after the end of the first major, then, after three days of Davis Cup, a month off before he chases two successive Masters titles over the course of about three weeks.

But let's look at what else has been sacrificed here in order for Federer to meet his obligations to Dubai. Great asTMF is, Rafael Nadal still holds a superior head-to-head, he is TMF's nemesis on clay, and, by most accounts, he has gone where few have dared to venture before: into Roger's head.

Roger may already be the GOAT but, as Mats Wilander said, "It's weird to be the best of all time and not be able to beat one guy in your own time."  That contradiction was partly muted by Federer's victory over Jet Boy at Wimbledon, and the Davis Cup tie in Switzerland loomed, through pure serendipity, as a tantalizing potential opportunity for TMF to further demolish the myth as well as the reality surrounding their rivalry.

Oh, sure, there's still this matter of clay. But it might be easier to take Jet Boy on clay if he felt more like the hunted than the hunter, and if he had to play with the nagging feeling that the tables were turning. The fact that Nadal has struggled since Wimbledon only made TMF's potential Davis Cup opportunity more striking. Here was his chance to lure Nadal into combat on a big stage, on a fast indoor carpet, before a wildly supportive home crowd. How would Jet Boy feel, leaving Geneva on the wrong end of a 2-1-2 beatdown?

But that scenario was relegated to fantasy; the reigning reality is Dubai.

I don't want to blow this way out of proportion. Players throughout history have made odd, counter-intuitive choices, and for all kids of reasons besides money. I have to assume that TMF really likes the Dubai vibe; his love affair with the city-state probably will amount to a home court advantage for him when the tournament rolls around.  He may even be granted Sheikh status by the ruler of the Emirate, Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum, complete with a reserved parking space at the palace for his camel, although these days Sheikh's tend to prefer cherry-red Ferraris.

We just don't know how all this will play out, but it will be interesting to watch. My own feeling is that in forging his relationship with Dubai, TMF was seduced into something that has more repercussions than he probably anticipated, and that his pride - he is, after all, worshipped in many precincts, including these - wouldn't allow him to turn back, even if he decided it might be a better course of action. And remember, now that Andre Agassi isn't around to tell us how much he'd like to live and raise his family in Dubai, the role has been passed on to TMF.

It's hard being an ambassador.

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Comments

Zowie. Listen to those crickets chirp..

Succinct stuff Pete. Don't know if there will be repercussions concerning Dubai as in some scandal concerning human rights, however I don't like the idea of skipping Davis Cup for some tournament that doesn't mean anything. Anyway, Fed's still the best, I just don't agree with this decision. No doubt it was made in good faith, it's still wrong in my opinion.

This is a weird one, in that I don't believe it's easy to draw a clear moral line disallowing playing in Dubai while allowing a whole bunch of other places on the tennis tour.

But one thing is clear: Dubai or no Dubai, it doesn't make sense to play an International Series event ten time-zone hours away from Indian Wells, the "fifth Slam," the week before.

And to skip Davis Cup while doing so? Ridiculous.

By the way, with a healthy Stan, that SUI-ESP matchup was tight - or are you telling me you were gonna put big money on Ferrer to put the smacck down?

pete you really didnt do you homework.

Why is fed playing Dubai,lats think ? oo I know it was coming so well, and I knew pepole want do their home-work.

lats see the ruls says that playrs MUST- AND THIS IS MUST, play:

4 SLAMS
9 TMS
5 OTHER TURMENTS.

Now do you see the conaction, if not I will exslain:

Do you have any right to gudye which 5 turments fed play, no, he doesnt play more than 5 like other to make more money he playes what he has to, in order to keep his ranking.

last year he played 5 only non tms, slam turments and he played 97 matchs,

so what he did this year becouse he flat he played to much and hedoesnt want to burn out, whan did he do:

didnt play doah, so that mean only 4 non slan tms turments that will heart his ranking.


*about fed playing nadal, why dint you tell roddick to play basel this year o,k, and what about nadal why didnt he play basel last year.

fed want to spain right, nadal was sapuse to play basel why didnt he come?

why dont you tell nadal to go and play a turmrnt in cez, lats she his wilnders, go.

you talking about a player that said this:

"It is a very fast surface and will be very difficult to play on," Nadal said following five days of practice on the vinyl-covered wood-base floor, which is also used at a handful of ATP tournaments.

"I have always said that the Davis Cup organisers should only allow matches to take place on hardcourt, clay or grass, because those are the three main surfaces we use throughout the year," Nadal added.

"It's a bad surface for us and I think it would also be better for the spectators if we were playing on a surface we are used to. It's stupid that I have to play here and then go to Marseille with the worst chances because of having to play on a totally different surface."
http://www.rediff.com/sports/2007/feb/08nadal.htm

anf before anyone has any right to complain about fed and davis cup again I really like to know what sampras agassi and nadal won the davis cup how many ties untill the final did they play and which seface were they?

did sampras did show up in the final and won, becouse I beat fed would love such a deal.

lats see if the facts ecshlly spurt you claims.

and those who say stan can win teis, he is good player I always said so I love him, but did you even chech his recored in the davis cup:

4 pathtic wins, that is it.

and I beat a lot of pepole want fed to play so he can born out for the rest of the year, no 1 can desied what is right for his body , with the year that awets him.


While Dubai may have some human rights issues, they're nothing compared to similar issues in China and I don't recall many complaints about players going to tournaments there. Just saying...

hey pete,

lol at us having the same problem filling out applications. i have to fill out many applications for film festivals and such and maybe its nerves (but if you look at the rest of my writing its all illegible) but i start gripping the pen really tightly and by the end of it my handwriting looks like the scrawl of a crazed individual.

An interesting article from today's International Herald Tribune on a related topic (featuring a photo of Federer on the golf course in Dubai: "In the Arena: Shouting Matches Dominate as Davis Cup Resumes: http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/02/08/sports/arena.php

On the subject of the Evil Emirate which is corrupting sports deities (see also: Tiger Woods, John McEnroe)--it seems this was argued on this site at great length last fall, generating more heat than light. I have nothing new to contribute to the debate.

Seing as we are all basically speculating like crazy, I don't see the connection between Dubai and DC. Dubai is still two weeks away.

Whatever his reasons are for not playing DC this weekend, I don't see how a tournament two weeks later would be critical.

For whatever reason, he does not want to play.

I really don't want to get into a DC debate. IMHO, it boils down to your personal preference. Fed's played 41 matches for Switzerland, which is enough for me.

But I would like to point out a few things:

1) Dubai has been Fed's training base for a few years now. In fact, he owns a residence there. He trains in the Dubai heat to prepare for Australia and both US hardcourt swings. It's also a straight shot for Toni.

2) DC and Dubai are mutually exclusive. He doesn't skip DC to play Dubai. He skips DC because, provided they win the first tie(likely), it would require a season long commitment, which he isn't willing to make right now.

3) This is the 3rd year in a row Fed has skipped the first DC tie. And he said he wasn't going to play before Switzerland drew Spain. Nadal had no bearing on the decision.

Speaking of Davis Cup, I have some haikus to report, including one almost Roger and the mess that is the Swiss DC team:

Forget no Roger,
Now Suisse has no Wawrinka -
A clean sweep for Spain.

A bonus one:

(Belarus vs. Sweden)

Mirnyi and Bjorkman -
One of the tour's best pairings;
They need "Swelarus."

When Spain was drawn against Switzerland, Federer should have decided right then and there, he was playing Davis Cup. As you said Pete, the opportunity to give Rafa the business in front of his country, should have have been more than enough motivation. Federer has enough money. He has plenty, and will undoubtably get plenty more.
But Fed is about Fed. That's it. I'll use a phrase he is so fond of..."Its a pity" he missed this opportunity.

And I'm with you on the whole Dubai issue. I thought it was nuts last year that Agassi was playing in Dubai while TTC was trying to launch a big time event in his home town. Steffi and the kids went to Tennispalooza, but Andre went to Dubai. But it makes sense now, as Andre's new real estate ventures show surely will be benefited by his association with Dubai.

As they say...always follow the money

Dubai in two weeks, however two Masters Series right after that. All that adds to a lot of tennis. Especially if some matches went to the fifth set in DC.

Dunlop, excellent point.

I'm a little afraid of the HardA** Davis Cup Crew losing steam while we get lost in a debate on international human rights.

I know you don't think as much as I do of Federer's skipping this tie, but I'm glad that you point out that these are two entirely separate issues.

Cynical there rudy3. Fed is about Fed? To some extent. Everyone is to some extent.

Re the above discussion:
1. As is well known, the great Pete S. frequently skipped dc in the interests of his own career-in fact with TMF. only halfway thru his carreer, his has already surpassed PS's appearances in DC.
2. I agree with P.S who frequently said that DC should be played on a biannual basis-it would have more significance then.
3. Before Wilander pronounces further on Fed's carreer, he should remember that the potential GOAT is only halfway thru his career, so has ample time time redress any imbalances. Really, every time this clown opens his mouth, it reminds me what El Jon said about Vilas after Rafa broke his records- he comes out with incresingly irrational statements to offset declining relevance.
3. If it has escaped your notice, Pete, probably all the other top players will be in Dubai,esp. Rafa. I really don't see the point of all these "holier-than-thou" opinions about Fed's decision regarding DC-to me DC is of much less importance than Master events and of course the slams.

rudy3 :why:

last year theyplayed hewitt less aus, he would have been easyer to fed to play than , but he didnt, becouse he know right now he can win davis cup+ the slams, becouse he has to win the ties a lon.

the next tie, whith who many matchs he played, what you want him to do, to be wilnder and +dc, or be G.O.A.T

HE will wait for stan, and even with out satn he will try to win it by himself later it his carrira, he almost did it, he will try later on again.

about dubai: I totaly agree with Paranoid Android .

and it sime pete whated moths to write this, becouse he knew fed wasnt playing long time ago.

and this is just bashing a player , becouse he has np profe fed isnt playing dc becouse of dubai,

moreover fed has to play 5 turments this year and its his right to chose this turments that also have the most points from the non slams tms turments, espchlly whan the player live there.

its like pepole worte befor the aus that fed didnt play doah becouse of the money, as for them its just around the conroe, what it is to them if he plays there or not,

he tought he played a lot of matchs in 2006 so he didnt want to burn out, did the bashing stoped , not.

first look at the players that play a lot of exshbsions, the players that get apernces fees and pretent they are ingered lose 1 round take the money and go home.

agssi, for any one, roddick any one, nadal any one.

than talk about fed.

Great post Pete,
I am a Fed KAD and your comment about cementing doubt in Nadal's mind is a very valid one particularly given Nadal's performance in Australia.
Regarding Dubai's place in the calendar while it may not be ideal it makes about as much sense as the relative positions of the Paris Open and Masters Cup.
Regarding Dubai as a less than ideal haven of democracy - I recall your post from last year - there are tens of thousands of expats in Dubai from all corners of the globe that are no less "complicit" than TMF.
China got the Masters Cup and last time I looked they did not do a lot to maintain the human rights of their own citizens never mind anyone else.
Signing off
Serial Lurker, Very Occasional Poster

You're really scraping the bottom of the barrel here, Pete - Fed as ambassador, Fed and Dubai, Dubai and human rights, Fed and Nadal, Fed and DC, Fed and the GOAT - you've been back through the most recent articles, thrown in a reference to Wilander for good measure - hey, you've forgotten Fed and Woods......for heaven's sake, we've all been there, done that and got the T-shirt. Give it a rest.

Let's have something new for a change. How about why the ATP aren't having Player Blogs now? What do you know about the rumoured elimination of some TMS tournaments? What's your assessment of Mr. Disney so far? What hidden agendas are there in the sponsors players get? What about the answers to the rest of the questions you got asked about the AO? Is the World Team Cup played in Dusseldorf worth retaining? Find out, or ask for contributions on how Tennis Federations in some countries are attracting so many players. In other words, get off Fed's back and lose the tunnel vision.

I can't say I find this all that intriguing as a topic -- ok, so he committed to Dubai, he likes Dubai, he's skipping Davis. Of course, if we're going to discuss his motivations in full, we shouldn't gloss over the whole idea of guarding against mental fatigue. Federer isn't just supposed to play the Davis Cup; he's expected to win ALL his matches.

And yes, Pete, please tell us about the ATP canceling player blogs! I loved those -- I'm so upset that they're gone!

The schedule sucks. The players suck and so do the tournaments. Go fans!

Ditto the above(8.19. post)
Please give us something of relevance, Pete-you're really the man!!!!!!

*** don't want to blow this way out of proportion***

Too late, Pete. That's exactly what you wanted to do - and you threw in a whole bunch of other stuff just for good measure. How many times have we stated (and you know) that Roger opted not to play round 1 (just like the the last few years) BEFORE the draw. He didn't know the opponent was Spain. And even then, there was no guarantee that Nadal was going to play either. He wasn't going to change his mind because the opponent and Nadal have no bearing on his decision.

And why does Roger need to play Nadal again? Roger has beaten him the last three times (Wimbledon, Shanghai, and the Seoul exo). Roger has nothing to prove, certainly not anything that would warrant him changing his mind just to play Nadal. I don't think Nadal is on Roger's mind nearly as much as you think he is.

And Roger has never said that he was choosing Dubai over DC. That's your assumption.

As someone pointed out...everyone loves to berate Roger (and Andre) for their time in Dubai. But funny how no one berates the ATP et al for having their TMC in Shanghai. Surely China ranks higher than Dubai in human right problems.

But I forgot...this is all about finding something else wrong with Roger...so let's stick to that.

Good job, Pete. Mission accomplished.

Let's play out the "Fed should play NOW" argument: So he announces he isn't playing Davis Cup, but then because he has a chance to play NADAL, he changes his mind and plays. So now Fed could give a rat's behind about his country...it's only about squaring up a head-to-head (which is perhaps skewed b/c Nadal hasn't held up his deal in late '06). So either Fed is selfish, or Fed is selfish. I just don't think Fed wants to earn a win over Nadal so badly that he'd go back on his word.

Anyway, kudos to Pete for creating SOME hoopla for Davis Cup. It's going to get washed out in the US by the oh-so-riveting Pebble Beach tourney anyway.

david: the thing it is not about nadal mind.

its about fed mind, that was the problem not nadal mind.

whan fed started beating hewitt it wasnt about hewitt mind it was about fed's

whan fed playes king davis is kind david is less convenced he can beat fed even tought fed beat him 6 of the last 7 times they played, I dont think so.

so that was just an atememt to bash fed, becouse dubai doesnt come instaed of davis cup.

if pete wants to bash fed becouse he playing dubai, he should bash all the wta, and atp players that play there: nadal, safin(last year) agassi (last year), henin, kuzi, hingis, momo etc.

so they dont play there for the money?
and if they play there there isnt any human rights?


*For me more intrsting topics are, like the q I ask and didnt het ansowe about the slice importance in today game? its importance in playing fed?

*the schadle: why cant m desny be smart, what is the big problem all he has to do to fix the schdle is:

move roma to barclona date
move barcloba to rome date

that will mean that player who want to play roma humburg have a week off, if clay courters want to play barclona they will play 3 week street, that is what they do today, it will just mean roma first barclona second.

than move tornto 1 week earlyer, or give a bey in cincy.

so it wont be back to beck.

is that so hard to do.

I would also cansel paris maybe, and give maybe halla tms on grass, maybe move franch a week earlyear and than halla a week earlier.

She beat 5 seeded players but she hasn't peaked.

Serena the true World Number One!

I wonder if fan reaction shades this at all. He seems to enjoy more of a rock star status in asia. Is it the same in Dubai?

You know what's funny? My only point in this post (beyond how to turn it around vs. Nadal) is that committments get tricky and have downstream effects. Roger is no different from you and me in that regard. So how about alternate analyses of the bold-faced realities we're dealing with here? I'm open to them.

Slight re-rephrase: I see Roger's committment to Dubai - much like his committment to Nike, his watch people, and all his other committments - as having a tangible influence on things that at first may not seem linked. This is, of course, dot-connecting at its finest (or worst). I do plan to request a one-on-one with Roger at IW to get to the bottom of some of this stuff.

There is nothing to get to the bottom of here.

Roger has had problems with the heat throughout his career, and Dubai is a place he can train in the heat year-round.

Roger would be going to Dubai after the Australian Open whether there was a tournament or not.

He will also be going back to Dubai after Wimbledon and after the US Open. It's his training base(and a straight shot for Toni when coming from Australia).

Pete: re your 8:51, I fully agree: "committments get tricky and have downstream effects."

I was disappointed that Federer committed to playing in Paris, and then withdrew after winning in Basel. Yes, there's all kinds of good reasons for doing this, but your word is your word.

I'm less unhappy about his choosing not to play in the Davis Cup, given several of the points made above. Some players over the years have placed very high value on representing their country, some medium, some zero.

The question of playing Nadal is an interesting one, but on balance it seems to me that having said he'd prefer not to be selected in the round 1 match, then it would have been a bit odd to say "oh, but if I get a chance to play against this guy, well, that's different."

Just because Roger doesn't always play the first tie doesn't mean he's a Davis Cup dumper. He commonly--but hasn't always--played the survival round.

Again. We praise Roger for his savvy scheduling so that he stays healthy. Look at his schedule for the past several years. It is common for Roger to take three to four weeks off after a slam, barring RG because of its proximity to Wimby.

And this isn't a guy who's endorsement cup runneth over.

While he may be the sports annointed ambassador, he's not the only ambassador. Andy Roddick does a fair job, too and he plays all Davis Cup events. That's his choice.

I am willing to do a thorough investigation of Dubai once that e-ticket arrives and my hotel is paid for in advance :)

You know, I wouldn't be surprised if Roger had some kind of commitment to the Dubai tournament. I remember that TPTB for the Tokyo tournament had been trying to woo Roger to play their tournament for a while and flew halfway around the world to coax Roger in person. Tokyo got its wish. I imagine that happens all the time. How else can the smaller tournaments get the big names to come? The TMS and GS don't have to coax...the players basically have to play (and they want to, of course).

But I think it is insane to think that Roger is choosing Dubai over DC. Dubai is two weeks away and has no bearing on DC. Man, if anything, I could see Roger bypassing Dubai because it is so close to IW.

As I've stated a million times, I have no problem with people not liking athletes who bypass national events. I would love for Roger to play as he is my favorite player and I do enjoy team events like this. So, I understand that some fans might criticize Roger for not playing, just like they did Sampras, Agassi, and anyone else who doesn't play.

But the suggestions that Roger should change his mind just to have another go at Nadal makes no sense to me - especially since the opponent was not an issue with Roger to begin with. And the suggestion that Roger bypassed DC for Dubai is just as crazy.

i agree with you mici 100%, Pete in on fault-finding mission about Federer, i dont know if i should compare this to Steggy's feelings towards Clijsters. with clijsters i feel that Steggy has much more ground to stand on,but when it comes to fed i think Pete is trading on thin ice. maybe Pete would suggests that federer must stop crying when he is emotional coz borg,laver or wilander didnt cry when they won slams

"we shouldn't gloss over the whole idea of guarding against mental fatigue. Federer isn't just supposed to play the Davis Cup; he's expected to win ALL his matches."

But Heidi, it's not like he's got to win the entire DC this weekend. I can't believe how exaggerated this has become. You'd think Fed was skipping a triathlon instead of DC. It's one tie. THREE matches. Is that what it's come to? Our top tennis heroes need weeks off before and after a big competition for fear of mental fatigue? Wow. We should all have such problems in our jobs.

And are Nadal, Roddick, Blake, Gonzo, etc., NOT expected to win all their matches?

Should players skip US open because of that Guantanamo issue? human rights anyone?

Andrew: that is the think FED DIDNT COMET TO PLAY PARIS TMS.

the atp made him to enter, he has no choise about it.

they only turment fed has any choise about it are the 5 or more non tms, slam turments.

about those you can comlain, and fed about those played only 5 unlike other player in order that he can fufell his comentments to the full, not just take the money and run, he doesnt do that.

that is why he didnt play doah, he could just take the money lose 1 round and go for aus, but he didnt do it.

and see the players recored last year:

who are the players the polled out of turments they had a choise about the most? who just pritended he is injerd?

I'm wondering, Pete, if you got the idea for this post from something I said earlier in the "At Stake and My Take" thread? Just kidding!

I just think one of the points Pete (and I in the other thread) makes is that it will be difficult for Federer to win Dubai-Indian Wells-Miami back-to-back-to-back. It would certainly be easier to win 2-3 matches during a weekend, and then play Indian Wells and Miami a few weeks later. Basically, Federer has put a priority on a non-slam, non-masters event. By playing and traveling to/from Dubai, Federer does lower his chances at Indian Wells and Miami, which are more prestigious, give more money, and more rankings points.

Go mici

I feel like banging my head against the wall when reading this blog sometimes.

-The top players are automatically entered in Masters Series events. Fed didn't commit to anything; and he couldn't pull out until the Basel final was completed.

-Fed played BOTH DC and Dubai in '03 and'04. Obviously, his particiaption in DC is not contingent on the Dubai tournament.

-Again, if Fed plays the first tie, he is committing to the entire DC season, which he isn't willing to do right now.

AGAIN, Fed would be going to Dubai whether there was a tournament or not. He trains there 3 or 4 times during the season.

Pete,
...give it up and enjoy the history that is being made...
...TMF defies what ancient philosophers have been unable to unlock...the aesthetic experience...

***I was disappointed that Federer committed to playing in Paris, and then withdrew after winning in Basel. Yes, there's all kinds of good reasons for doing this, but your word is your word.***

Andrew...every top player is automatically entered in TMS events. They can't PLAN to miss these. Unless they have a known injury, they can't withdraw early. So, it's not like Roger could plan to play Basel and then plan to miss Paris. Roger determined that after Basel and Madrid, he was too tired to play Paris and be ready for Shanghai.

Both Roger and Nadal pulled out of Hamburg for fatigue as well. Funny how you didn't mention that one. That's the way it happens for TMS since as I said, they are automatically entered.

The top players are only allowed to miss two TMS events a year without a penalty. Paris was Roger's second. Personally, I think Roger is pretty good about honoring commitments. Roger probably knew there was no way he was going to do well at Cincy after winning in Toronto, but he came anyway and lost second round - thereby missing the opportunity to tie Lendl's consecutive finals streak. And let's not forget Shanghai in 2005. Roger was nowhere fit to play, but he knew that with all the other pullouts, he was basically the saving grace for that tournament. So, he played.

Okay, so Roger didn't play DC - and he said he wouldn't. His word is his word.

Sherlock : so he should play 1 round only becouse its spain and nadal.

so all be o.k if he skeeps the 2 round, right!!!!!!

why?

yes and mantel burn out is very importent and if fed first round what is the point you all saying he should play so what is the differnce from 1 round to 2 round

you talking about a guy that played 97 matchs last year, you dont think he has to worrey about mantal burn out.

I alredy sow he tring to avoied it in this aus open, that is why he acted like he did in the early roundsex: djoko, roddick and gonzo.

and whan he has to defened all those points in the midle of theyear and has to play 2 round what than.

***I was disappointed that Federer committed to playing in Paris, and then withdrew after winning in Basel. Yes, there's all kinds of good reasons for doing this, but your word is your word.***

Andrew...every top player is automatically entered in TMS events. They can't PLAN to miss these. Unless they have a known injury, they can't withdraw early. So, it's not like Roger could plan to play Basel and then plan to miss Paris. Roger determined that after Basel and Madrid, he was too tired to play Paris and be ready for Shanghai.

Both Roger and Nadal pulled out of Hamburg for fatigue as well. Funny how you didn't mention that one. That's the way it happens for TMS since as I said, they are automatically entered.

The top players are only allowed to miss two TMS events a year without a penalty. Paris was Roger's second. Personally, I think Roger is pretty good about honoring commitments. Roger probably knew there was no way he was going to do well at Cincy after winning in Toronto, but he came anyway and lost second round - thereby missing the opportunity to tie Lendl's consecutive finals streak. And let's not forget Shanghai in 2005. Roger was nowhere fit to play, but he knew that with all the other pullouts, he was basically the saving grace for that tournament. So, he played.

Okay, so Roger didn't play DC - and he said he wouldn't. His word is his word.

Guys: Pete doesn't hate Federer.

Paranoid: well pointed out.

I can't follow you down this causal chain, Pete. If Rog really wanted to play Davis Cup, I don't think the fact that it's two weeks before Dubai would stop him. I just don't see how two, three Davis Cup matches, two weeks removed, would affect either his ability to play or his performance in Dubai.

By the way, for those of you playing along at home, the red herring count stands at:

3 mentions of China
1 hour 52 minutes before Guantanamo came up

I'd completely agree with you on this count, Pete. Here's a guy with a chance to choose the surface of play and further dispel notions that Nadal is an all-surface great, a chance to get his head-to-head closer to fine, a chance to mentally clamp down on ol' #2 before the clay season starts, and a chance to play in front of a home crowd, something he (allegedly) loves to do.

Now, Dubai is a great tournament, has fantastic prize money, incredible bonus agreements, gifts, etc. and is a place he does well at. And I can marginally overlook human rights issues (it's not like China has a sterling record, and the USA has torture allegations all over the place) because it's a universal problem. But I just don't think it's logical for him to play there. He doesn't need the money, he doesn't need the ranking points, it'll keep him fresher for the LONG clay season to only play the 2-3 matches for Davis Cup...the list goes on.

Federer should be gunning for a Davis Cup win before he retires, particularly before Wawrinka becomes a consistent top 25 player, if only because he could claim something Sampras couldn't: he was THE talent on the team. Sampras got a Davis Cup title, but he had a fantastic supporting cast. If Federer pulls a Ljubicic in a Davis Cup season, it's hard to say Sampras outclasses him in that category.

That said, it may do Nadal even more damage if he loses to an Yves Allegro or Marco Chiudinelli on carpet than if he loses to Federer.

As a side note, I'm hoping Federer wins Monte Carlo in particular this year. He's already got a couple Hamburg titles in the trophy case, and Rome will be around forever, but of this is the last year for Monte Carlo as a masters level tournament, it's his only chance to get one of the missing shields.

Sorry about the double-post. Not sure what happened.

Anyway, this topic is giving me a headache. It's not about Nadal, and it's not about Dubai.

And Sherlock, I really like your " it's only 3 matches in a weekend". That one always makes me laugh. That's like saying a Grand Slam is "only 7 matches in two weeks". LOL! Gee...how hard can that be???

couple of things
1. the draw was made in Sept and Fed made his decision in November
2. when I mentioned about cementing a doubt in Nadal's mind, it is with the thought that Nadal is clearly playing below his best at present and any negative thought in Nadal's head is logically a positive one in Fed's head.

Mici, when did I say that??? I haven't said ONE word about Nadal all day long. Well, that's not true. Earlier, I said I could care LESS that they're going against Spain this weekend. That has nothing to do with this for me. Absolutely ZERO.

Paranoid Android, yes Federer did play all of those events in the past. His expectations are higher now than they were then, as he expects himself to win every event he enters. That's why he plays so few tournaments, because he's planning to do very well at all of them. He's expecting a Dubai-Indian Wells-Miami triple. That would explain why he longer plays Rotterdam and the DC.

***Guys: Pete doesn't hate Federer.***

Oh, I know. He's a journalist and it's his job to keep the controvesy live and well. He's good at it.

Small: My feelings towards Clijsters? No offense, but what in the living hell are you talking about? I've never said word one against the girl..

Well, I'm glad I can be entertaining, CM. :) Btw, I wanted to say that you've been very good today in support of your boy. Very fair, I must say, as much as it pains me. :)

And while it humors you, yes, how hard can it be is exactly the question. This isn't rocket science. He's not leading troops into battle. He's playing a flippin' game. One at which he is the most talented in the world. If that's a difficult proposition, hey, I'll trade places in a heartbeat.

Federer obviously doesn't care all that much about Davis Cup. Neither did Sampras or Agassi most years.

So what? Whatever appeal the event had in 1975 or whatever, it doesn't have it now - at least among American tennis fans, though I'd love to hear some comments from international posters to see if it's all that different (I know DC is big in some countries - but I bet croatia would erupt in jubilation if Ivan won a slam - maybe bigger than any DC tie...) I do root for teams that include my favorite players, but on a team/nationalistic level, I couldn't care less.

For me, unpatriotic or not, the tennis event of the week is the women's tournament in Paris. I suppose I'm a bad person, though I doubt I'm alone.

Paranoid Android: Have the Dubai dates always been the same (i.e., have Dubai, IW, Miami always been back-to-back-to-back)?

Then again, I have to laugh at Federer again (remember I'm a fan!) Anyone remember last summer when Federer complained (after coming back from a lengthy, post-wimbledon vacation in Dubai) about having to play the Canada Master Series directly followed by Cincinnati? How is Dubai-Indian Wells-Miami any better, and Dubai is by his own choice?

Pam: it's better because he's probably getting a one-million-plus guarantee fee. That's why.

But John, don't you think it's kinda ironic that Federer, a traditionalist if ever there was one, seems to have such a spotty commitment to Davis Cup? I mean, three days ago we were all lauding him - rightfully, in my book - for being so respectful of the game's traditions. Davis Cup is one of the mightiest of those. Even if he's not particularly patriotic, surely it could still mean something to him from a tennis tradition point of view?

And Pete Sampras aside, DC still means an awful lot to an awful lot of players - and fans. It's hardly a white elephant.

very true Steggy! lol. I was just trying to see the logic from Federer's point of view.

Indian Wells and Miami are held over a four week span - 12 matches. Two ten day events. Much different from 12 matches 2 weeks as is the case with the Cinncy/Canada double.

so I wating to this kind of post about henin, kim the w.sisters hingis, they all dont play fed cup and play dubai.

all of us knew fed isnt going to play the 1 round, he just whated to his schadle to be finales before he made the anonsment.

and again if you slaming fed for playing dubai:
so is nadal, so did safin, so did agasi, and so a lot of the girls.

Emmett: who said he want, he will try he said so, but later on, he is just 25, and he has sort time to achive more importent things.

no why before stan is top 25?

why is that?

why are you afried he wont comet whan he is top 25?

isnt just what you critize fed about?


fed will comet whan his prsnual gols isnt his stake, and right now they are, and he can be left who nothing to show for it, can you granty him that he wins 3 points every time so his persunal goal will be worth will.

so lated see fed showd stay with 10 grand slam but the most importent thing its that he has davis cup and than he will be g.o.a.t, right.

so now no need for 14 grand slam, davis cup will do the dell.

and another thing to those who say fed doesnt need the turment and the prize money and the points, so with your logic he should play also iw tms and miami as he doesnt need the point right, nadal wont cheah him right.

what else shouldnt he play has he doesnt need the points, forget small turments all togever , play qunce not halla, anything else you guys want.

deitic, I think the dates were always the same.

Pam, because Toronto and Cinci are back to back with no days off between or during the tournament(provided a player makes the Toronto final).

Miami and Indian Wells has a few days between the tournaments and days off while the tournament is going on.

true John C, but there's less traveling invovled going from either Montreal or Toronto to Cincinnati compared to Dubai-Indian Wells-Miami, and then there's the whole timezone thing.

Sherlock, my point is that "3 matches in one weekend" can be tough. At least in GS, there is usually a day between matches. In a DC tie, you could conceivably play a 5-set match three straight days. That would be tough. But I do agree that most of the top guys can physically handle it.

But my point is also that someone in Fed's position...it isn't just 3 matches in 3 days. For a guy like Fed, a GS isn't just 7 matches in 2 weeks. There's a whole lot more going on than just the physical play. Commitments, press, etc. Again, I'm not saying that these guys can't handle it. But for someone like Roger, that's his life most weeks. He plays the least amount of tournaments, yet he plays way more matches than most of the Top Ten guys. The stress, expectation, pressure is a million times harder for Roger than most other guys. DC is no different.

Again, I'm not saying that Roger can't handle it. I'm sure he can. But he's thinking of the bigger picture and right now, DC is not part of his bigger picture. Some people think it should be. That's cool. I hope one day, it is. But right now, I'm perfectly fine with him trying to maintain his #1 ranking and going after Pete's record.

Physically, it must be tough either way. If you're going to complain about one, I don't see how you can find the other more acceptable, other than the very dry-humored Steggy's $ comment.

There is a big difference between IW / Miami and Toronto / Cincy. IW and Miami are not truly back-to-back in terms of weeks. Plus, the top seeds get a bye at both tournaments. Toronto and Cincy are truly back-to-back and give no byes.

One good thing, is that Cincy this year is changing its format and will now offer top seeds a bye. Even they were getting tired of the problem. Pretty much anyone that did good in Canada suffered in Cincy.

Fair enough Pam... but I still think the extra time more than makes up the difference. Plus the prestige of both Indian Wells and Miami is greater than Cincinnati or Toronto/Montreal individually or together.

As for the traditionalist argument... clearly he respects the tradition of the sport, but doesn't follow it blindly. Times have changed, Davis Cup has declined.

No one excepts a "traditionist" to look up Laver's schedule from 1969 and follow it to the point. And a true "traditionalist" from Switzerland, would likely skip the Aussie open... would that be a good thing?

If money was the big issue, he would have cashed in at Doha this year, tried to win the US Open Series or take the offer from the European tournaments a year or two ago to play over there for a lot of money. He did none of them. The schedule seems to be first. I can't see where this schedule makes sense. What obligations to Dubai does Federer have? None that I can see. It isn't like a contract for a sponsor, or even the agreement with Gstaad that Federer completed a few years ago. I don't see any obligations.

Facts: Federer has a house there. Federer trains there 8 weeks a year.

Federer is skipping Davis Cup. Federer is playing Dubai, and about two days later plays two Masters Series tournaments in a row.

There is quite a bit of difference between 12 matches in 4 weeks(March 5th-April 1st) and 12 matches in 14 days.

At the very least, Federer did what he said he would do. Basing the decision on who he played wouldn't be about DC at all, as someone said.

True Paranoid Android, but as John C partially agreed, it's not just matches. There's travel and timezones to deal with.

Plus, Federer used to play both DC and Rotterdam before the Dubai-Indian Wells-Miami combo. Along with DC, Rotterdam has been dropped from Federer's schedule. It makes sense to drop Rotterdam and DC if Federer wants to focus on Dubai. It doesn't make sense for Federer to play Dubai if he wants to focus on winning Indian Wells and Miami for a 3rd consecutive year.

Hmmm. . . we're cooking along quite nicely. Two things from the bunker high above Central Park:

Mici, others - it doesn't matter when the draw is made. If TMF follows the most basic tradition in tennis, he plays DC two weeks after AO final. He wakes up one morning to find that he's got a further opportunity to put even more distance between himself and Nadal because the Swiss have drawn Spain with choice of ground. Instead, missed opportunity. It couldn't be simpler.

And in general, for all: appearance money has traditionally been considered the bane of tennis, and it has also traditionally paid out in lavish doses. It is now technically legal, and one manifestation of that change in policy is that Dubai has leaped into the public consciousness, big-time. Bought their way in, with huge payouts for all. Fair enough, that's international capitalism at work. But IMHO, Dubai bought Roger. It bought the ATP. I find it useful to know that, and to factor it into my analysis of what's happening in tennis now.

Furthermore, it would be far more impressive for Federer's records to win Indian Wells and Miami again, rather than waste the opportunity on the smaller Dubai tournament.

Pam: I think surface plays a role too. I don't know how Dubai compares to IW, but Montreal is said to be quite a bit slower than Cinci.

Saying that there is no scheduling issue would be to go against the reason for Federer skipping this tie as I understand it. If playing DC and Dubai isn't a problem, and playing Dubai and two Masters Series tournaments in three months isn't a problem, then what the heck is the problem?

There's one other option, and that's the even if Federer could play this schedule, he wouldn't be concentrating on DC as much as he thinks it deserves. Clearly, Federer is thinking about the number one ranking and GS's. As long as that is the priority, he isn't gonna mess around with DC until full attention can be paid.

No, John, and to add to your straw man I wouldn't expect Federer to play with a wooden racket or refuse to play in South Africa either. Times do change. But one of the central tenets of the old tennis-builds-character brigade was that there is no greater honour than to play for your country. This still exists today, in so many players. I just wouldn't expect Federer to be the exception, that's all.

pam: first of all miami and iw are not really back to back.

like other said.

and if fed wanted to get more money he sure would have played the us seies dont you think that is 1,ooo,ooo$ right like steggy said, and he does take a months after wimbeldon, no need right as you say take 1 week that is enoght.

and I am sorrey but its isnt enoght to say I am a fan, you can crtize fed, but comring miami-iw to cincy-tornto and saying he plays dubai only for money is bashing.

If the dame atp site would work, I wanted to see what haped to fed whan he played dc in 2004 and 2003, didnt he lose hearly the next turment he played?


Forgot one related thought: back in the mid-70s, World Team Tennis gave big money to top stars and persuaded them to skip the French Open, or they were banned from the FO because of the war with WTT.

As a result, Connors MAY have missed a calendar year Slam (he would have been favored to win the FO and won the other three; personally, I believe he would have accomplished a Slam). And Chris Evert missed winning a few more FO titles (they were a gimme for her at the time).

Sometimes it is all about the money. Does anyone doubt that that having to do it all over again. . .

mici, there's nothing wrong with bashing (or criticism as I call it) every now and then. Don't get so sensitive over a tennis player. You can't tell me that you agree with everything federer says/does?

Pam, Fed has made the finals of Dubai 4 years in a row(winning 3), India Wells 3 years in a row(winning all 3) and Miami 2 years in a row(winning both). I think he has a pretty good handle on the situation.

Everyone keeps looking at this first DC tie in a vacuum. If Fed commits to play the first tie, then he is commiting to play the entire DC season, provided they win. Otherwise, why play the first tie if you aren't going to play the later rounds?

Given Roger's sucess at IW/Miami over the past 3 years, his choice to get some practice on hard courts in Dubai against the best after a rest may be very smart... regardless of whether or not money plays a part.

Actually, I bet Dubai is better prep for the master's double than the DC tie could ever be.

See results 2005/2006 if you don't believe. Something is obviously working like it hasn't worked for any player in history.

Why would he skip Dubai, given his success following it in the past few years?

Hasn't Federer won IW and Miami after playing Dubai the last few years? Time zones or not, it seems to work for him.

Pete - You've really stirred the pot this time! While I think the lure of Dubai runs deep for Roger, and that is something to perhaps quiz him on, I think you've missed the mark with the following statement about Roger skipping the Davis Cup tie with Spain and therefore missing a huge chance to even up their series and silence the Rafafarians:

"Here was his chance to lure Nadal into combat on a big stage, on a fast indoor carpet, before a wildly supportive home crowd."

Do you see the illogic inherent in the idea? Roger beating Nadal on a FAST INDOOR CARPET WITH A HOME CROWD would not prove anything. It's already well documented that Federer is better than Nadal on fast surfaces. It's the SLOW ones that matter, particularly the crushed red brick, but also some of the slower hard courts. Roger knows, as does every other sports fan in the world, that he MUST beat Rafael on the clay of Roland Garros. Nothing less will suffice to silence his critics or to win over the Rafafarians.

Also, while I find it very very difficult to understand mici's posts, I think I agree with much of what she said at 7:33pm.

But, nice post; it definitely gets one thinking. And yes, please ask Roger the tough questions. Not the ones we keep hearing, like "How does it feel to be the GOAT? Baaaaaaaaa."

Pretty sure we had this discussion about whether players should or shouldn't commit to DC / FC / Olympics in the other thread. Fed shouldn't be singled out, there are others doing exactly the same thing, that aren't ranked that much below him.

But yes, I know he's THE MIGHTY Fed and all that, which means his name has more clout.

Its a player's choice, its voluntary. He has his reasons. He said he wasn't playing from the beginning. What made anyone think he would change his mind? Leave it. Some people have different values, and while others view the DC is high esteem, its not going to be the case for all people. Let's talk about the players who will be in action this weekend.

Whoever it was who said Fed would be seen as selfish either way, I agree, he cannot please everyone.

Pete: if dubai bought fed they bouat all the atp player than other played there and the wta, like I said that includs: nadal, safin agassi, henin, hingis, kuzy, momo etc.


about playing nadal: he will get his chance he dobai, no problem with that, and if fed did that maybe than I would have belived nadal is in fed head.

fed doesnt play dc for h2h.

and lucy: if fed didnt care at all he wouldnt save sui arse every year, see where the sui fed cup team is, if fed didnt play to save the arse where do you think they would have be.

sui with out fed couldnt beat asi on clay at home with out hewitt playing.

that is great recored right.

it is really connent to say you have to play for you contry whan you trying to achive history for your self and to achive the country history you need someone to help you and it can come insted of your own gols.

again like I said they only 1 that has any right to take in borg, no other player was 1 man team, and tried to win be g.o.a.t.


There is nothing wrong with getting paid an appearance fee. The issue is whether Federer would take that money and not play Davis Cup because of it. That is based on the assumption that the two are mutually exclusive. That Federer is taking money instead of playing DC. That is far more serious than accepting an appearance fee because it's there, which is fine.

PA - I take your point re. the vacuum; at the same time, building your schedule around majors, MS events and DC doesn't seem like an outlandish idea if you're in the hunt for greatness by the accepted standard. Who knows, if Dubai keeps pumping in the bucks, maybe the AO will one day be known as the tune-up for Dubai.

I'm not saying that Federer's schedule hasn't worked for him, I'm just saying that it is a hard feat to replicate year after year. Also, Federer is a different breed from most of the top players. Most of them wouldn't be able to win like that consistently. All I'm saying is, if Federer's got such a handle on it, play 3 matches for a weekend that is 2 weeks before! Doesn't the second tie happen during one of Federer's vactations anyway?

Slice - good point re. surface, but I think most players will revel in any chance to lay a hurtin on a rival under any circumstances.

Alright - don't know if y'all are ready to move on but I am. Chile or Russia this weekend? What's your upset special?

Going back to the point that Pete and others have said, Federer is constantly chasing greatness. Is it considered greater to win DC or win Dubai?

Paranoid Android... you made perfect sense at 10:19pm. That's one of the things I admire most about Roger, actually. That at such an early stage in his career (nearing midway, I'd say), he seems to have such a good handle on it. It's like a well-oiled machine that just keeps purring away. Why tinker with it now? It'd be like throwing a wrench in the works. I think it would be arrogance for us to make presumptions about his motivations without first talking with him, asking the difficult questions directly, and waiting patiently for his responses, which may run counter to our view of what's right or what's best for Roger and/or for tennis with a capital T. He's the one putting himself on the line out there every time he steps onto the court, and he's the one who has to make the tough calls. No one can do that for him. We saw what happened to him last summer in Cincinnati, losing to Murray in the second round of one of the largest Master Series purses because he was pushed to the limit in Toronot the week before, winning his last four matches in three dificult sets. I doubt he'll ever make THAT mistake again. So I can't fault him for skipping the DC, if that's what he feels is right for him. He's got his reasons. Sure, I'd like to know them, but it wouldn't matter a whole lot to me one way or the other, so long as HIS conscience is clear and he's putting on his best performances 16-18 times a year.

That's a no brainer, Pete. Chile all the way.

CHI CHI CHI LE LE LE!

PS: Nice try on the graceful exit, Pete.

Safin brings out his best for Davis Cup, but Andreev hasn't found his rhythm since coming back from injury. I think this tie will end in 3-2, Chile. The Gonzalez/Massu duo should clinch the final point.

Pete - That's an interesting point about WTT and the French and the players looking out for the bucks. I had naively assumed that WTT was some sort of build the game, BJK, let's all hold hands and sing crap back then as it is now. I thought they were giving up money and glory... guess not.

That said... I started following Tennis in the late 80's and i've never felt that Davis Cup was important or essential to greatness. Should that change, I'll agree Federer is making a mistake.

Chile wins. Safin is on vacation in his head, Davydenko's not there.

I don't know if it's really an upset but Belgium over Aussies - they have much more than the X-Man, who isn't even on the squad.

NEVAR. We are in Liege to make waffles out of 'em.

Actually, the Belgian team is deeper than Straya's, so a win for Belgiuim wouldn't surprise me. Even if Dick Norman is taller than two of his teammates put together.

GO STRAYA!
VAMOS ARGENTINA!
ALLEZ REESHARD!
GO YVES ALLEGRO!

Steggy: I think that somebody is confusing you with Sammy. that's too funny!

People, if you didn't grasp the point about the connection between Dubai and DC from reading Pete's post, please read Pam's comments -- or, just stop and think for a minute: Roger could have chosen...break after AO, DC, break, IW, Miami. Instead, he chose break after AO,continued break with no DC, Dubai, IW, Miami. Seems pretty simple and clear to me.

It would seem to me, BTW, that the best year that a player (Roger or anyone else) might ever have for playing all of the DC 3-match (max) ties would be the year when he can gain some rest time, if he needed it, by skipping two or three 5-match (max)tourneys and STILL have enough ranking points to be #1 in the world!

Another point...the younger, lower ranked players who got a chance to play DC when players like Pete, Andre et al skipped the early ties were thrilled to have the opprtunity to play, and they were equally thrilled when Pete, Andre et al came in at the semis and finals to win the more difficult ties. So, please stop talking about those ties when the USA (or some other country) didn't need their top players in the early ties.

Finally...if players can miss two Maters events without penalty, they DON't have to commit to all of them, do they?

pam: sorrey with your coment I am sure you are not a fan.

is dc biger than doubai you ask?

didnt a lot of pepole say that 1 isnt conacted to the other there are 2 week between the 2.

fed isnt going to play the 1 round only to play nadal, did you ask why didnt he play last year v aus with out hewitt.

and yeas fed need that break after wibeldon to brvent mantel burn out, it works doesnt it.

and who are we to tell fed what works for him, he does what he think works for him.

Pete: whan you ask fed about dobai, dont forget to sak also nadal how much they are paying him, henin, hingis, and agassi now that he is retierd.

chi all the way, but I love both team, so I will be happy either way, I am with chi only becouse rus won lat year.

*someone post it on steve post: no go fight with tha stats:
I looked up the Davis Cup record of all the players who have held the year-end #1 ranking (I didn't have time to look up all the ones who ever ranked #1); they are listed below according to number of Davis Cup matches played. Obviously Lendl would have played many more matches if he hadn't left Czechoslovakia for the U.S. in 1986; he was no longer able to play for Czechoslovakia after 1985 but did not become a U.S. citizen until 1992.

Nastase (ROM) 146 matches;109-37 (singles 74-22, doubles 35-15); 18 yrs, 52 ties
McEnroe (USA) 69 matches;59-10 (singles 41-8, doubles 18-2); 12 years 30 ties
Borg (SWE) 56 matches; 45-11 singles 37-3, doubles 8-8); 7 years, 21 ties
Kuerten (BRA) 50 matches, 34-16 (singles 21-11, doubles 13-5); 10 years, 21 ties
Federer (SUI)41 matches, 31-10 (singles 22-6, doubles 9-4); 8 years, 15 ties
Hewitt (AUS) 40 matches,31-9 (singles 28-7, doubles 3-2); 8 years, 22 ties
Lendl (TCH) 37 matches,22-15 (singles 18-11, doubles 4–4); 8 years, 13 ties
Agassi (USA) 36 matches,30-6 (singles 30-6, doubles 0-0); 11 years, 22 ties
Roddick (USA) 29 matches,20-9 (singles 20-9, doubles 0-0); 6 years, 15 ties
Sampras (USA) 28 matches, 19-9 (singles 15-8, doubles 4 -1) 8 years, 16 ties
Courier (USA) 27 matches,17-10 (singles 16-10, doubles 1-0); 7 years, 14 ties
Connors (USA) 13 matches, 10-3) (singles 10-3, doubles 0-0); 3 years, 7 ties


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