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Monday Net Post
Posted 01/21/2008 @ 12 :08 PM

By TW Contributing Editor, Ed McGrogan

Last Week's & This Week's Tournament

Australian Open (ATP & WTA - Outdoor Hard - Melbourne, Australia)

(In new, Plexicushion blue this week!)

- Men's Singles Bracket
- Women's Singles Bracket
- Men's Doubles Bracket
- Women's Doubles Bracket
- Mixed Doubles Bracket
- Boys' Singles
- Girls' Singles
- Boys' Doubles
- Girls' Doubles

- Website

- Television Schedule

By The Letter

(This week: an Australian Open observations version of BTL, because there's so much to talk about in addition to the regular MH and BTB commentary in the MNP.  FYI.)

T...op half of the women's bracket is the more loaded side, with four quarterfinalists who "should be there," according to their seeds.  But Jelena Jankovic sticks out like a sore thumb.  She barely escaped her first round match against Tamira Paszek, and needed another three sets against Virginie Razzano.  Henin, Sharapova, and Serena Williams haven't lost a set, have looked consistently dominant, and have won 194 of the 257 games they’ve played combined (75%).
E...lena Vesnina was ousted by her friend and compatriot Maria Sharapova in short order in the third round (6-3, 6-0), but her overall performance should be commended.  The young Russian upset the No. 32 seed Julia Vakulenko on day one, and took out Jill Craybas with ease in the second round (6-2, 6-4).  It's only the third time she's reached the third round or better of a Slam.
N...icest Story (Men): For all of the negative publicity that Marcos Baghdatis has received for his YouTube video, his play on the court was nothing short of amazing.  Marcos was handed as tough a draw as there was in the opening three rounds, but showed great courage and fortitude to beat Marat Safin in a fifth set (after once leading two sets to none), and to even reach a fifth set against Lleyton Hewitt (after being down 5-1 in the fourth).
N...icest Story (Women): Casey Dellacqua, who beat both No. 15 seed Patty Schnyder and No. 18 seed Amelie Mauresmo to capture many Aussie fan's hearts en route to the fourth round.
I...n the United States, television coverage of this year's Australian Open has been superb.  Tennis Channel picked up broadcast rights this year, which has given American die-hards another place to feed their cravings.  ESPN, long reviled for their coverage of the Grand Slams (excessive tape delays, little non-American player coverage) has instead kept true to the schedule with large blocks of live feeds.  Staying with the entire Hewitt/Baghdatis epic until 12:30 p.m. EST on Saturday was a great sign to see.
S...erbian tennis star (the forgotten one) Janko Tipsarevic made the most of his opportunity on a center court this week, playing five sets and 4.5 hours of terrific tennis in defeat against Roger Federer.  His effort was far more courageous than his last match at a Slam, where he retired meekly against Rafael Nadal at Arthur Ashe Stadium in the second round of the '07 U.S. Open.
W...omen's matches haven't lived up to the men's in terms of dramatics, but that might change in the coming week.  There are many players remaining in the men's bracket that raise eyebrows (especially in the bottom half), while the women's side features an array of star-studded quarterfinal matches.
O...n the blue courts: I'm still getting used to them, but they are not as rough on the eyes as I originally thought.  A question to equipment suppliers, however - with all the blue already, why did the clothing have to be the same color?  It seems like half of the women are wearing this top, but some of the men haven't been much better.  Contrast works best, which is why Philipp Kohlschreiber's black/neon attire was one of my favorites.
R...oddick's own play still must be factored in, but could he have run into hotter players in his last three defeats at Grand Slams?  Richard Gasquet (Wimbledon '07) and Philipp Kohlschreiber (Australian Open '08) each played the match of their careers against Andy, while Roger Federer was his usual flawless self at the 2007 U.S. Open.
L...ast week, I touted Chris Guccione in the Beyond the Bracket portion of the MNP.  To put it mildly, Guccione didn't live up to my expectations, losing in straight sets to Hyung-Taik Lee in the first round.  With more pressure on him - but much more talent, of course - Lleyton Hewitt was the Aussie who carried his country's flag proud.  (To prove there is no "MNP Jinx", consider what Philipp Kohlschreiber did, after being named last week's McGrogan's Hero.)
D...rinking shots of the Aussie fans: they are a staple during television broadcasts.  But we get the point already.  It doesn't speak as kindly of the spectators as you might think (see Beyond the Bracket for why).  [You didn't think I was going to let ESPN off that easy, did you?]

McGrogan's Heroes

ATP - Two performances stick out at me so far, one on each side of the draw.  James Blake's play in the top half has dispelled a couple of long-held opinions - that he can't win in five sets, and that he's largely fallen off of the tennis radar after his breakout year in 2006.  The way Blake has advanced to the final eight has been unexpected - he looked as good as dead against Sebastien Grosjean in the fourth set, and then obliterated a white hot Marin Cilic in straights - but Jo-Wilfried Tsonga's run might be even more surprising.

Tsonga is part of a large class of young and talented Frenchmen, but he doesn't play the same style as Richard Gasquet or Gilles Simon, to name a few.  The Cassius Clay look-alike throws haymakers with a lethal serve (he has 60 aces through four matches, good for third best in the field) and continues with his attacking mode if his opponent returns the ball in play.  Tsonga had some sporadic success last year at the ATP level (semifinals of Lyon, fourth round of Wimbledon), but really hit his stride in the Futures and Challengers, winning five events.

His play this year at Melbourne might have been foreshadowed by good results in the events prior to the Open.  Tsonga reached the semifinals of Adelaide, and won the doubles title the next week with Gasquet in Sydney.  Still, this run has been quite a surprise, and as many of his victims would probably attest to (Andy Murray and Gasquet are two of them), they didn't see it coming either.

WTA - In the upcoming women's quarterfinals, the seeds have largely fallen into place (the 1, 3, 4, 5, 7, and 8 seeds are among the final eight, and another one is No. 9 seed Daniela Hantuchova).  There's one glaring exception, and that's the No. 29 seed Agnieszka Radwanska - who many feel will soon be a top seed at major tournaments.  For her tremendous play in the first week of the Australian Open - where she beat one of the few missing top-eight seeds - Radwanska is our heroine of the week.

Agnieszka made a name for herself last year by winning her first career WTA title in Stockholm, and then by upsetting Maria Sharapova (the No. 2 seed) in the third round of the U.S. Open.  She fell one round later in Flushing Meadows, which tied her best performance at a Grand Slam.  This year, it's evident that Radwanska has continued to build on her impressive 2007 by her play at the Australian Open.  The 18 year old showed great poise in quickly dispatching her first two opponents (Savchuk and Parmentier); making the early round matches less taxing is critical for success at a Slam.  You'll recognize her next two opponents' names - Svetlana Kuznetsova and Nadia Petrova - but while the quality of players increased, so did Radwanska's play.  She ousted another No. 2 seed (Kuznetsova) in the third round, 6-3, 6-4, and then advanced past Petrova in three sets.  The win over Petrova might have even been more impressive than the Kuznetsova match, as Agnieszka lost the first set 1-6, but stormed back to win the next two sets 7-5, 6-0.

The Pole's journey continues against Hantuchova, and I don't expect her story to end then.  Hantuchova squeaked by Maria Kirilenko in a match riddled with breaks of serve and errors, and isn't coming into their quarterfinal with the same type of confidence that Radwanska will be.  Look for a semifinals appearance, and a boost in the rankings after the tournament concludes - where she'll likely stay for some time.

Tennis Theatre

To salute the sheer amazement of these past few days at the Australian Open, here's how it finally ended:

Beyond the Bracket

In case you haven’t noticed, the Australian Open underwent a bit of a makeover since last year’s event.  The deep blue sea of Plexicushion courts are the most obvious difference, but there have been other, more subtle changes as well.  The “Melbourne” text that is emblazoned on the show courts has a new look, and astute viewers might notice that this year’s logo varies from the older version.

Why do I bring up these aesthetic changes (besides the fact that I’m a sucker for this type of trivia)?  Because it’s clear to me that “The Grand Slam of Asia/Pacific” is trying to refine its image.  The tournament is still thought of as a second-tier Slam by some, and I believe these changes were in part made to further define what makes this slam uniquely its own – as opposed to a poor man’s U.S. Open.

For the most part, players and fans have been receptive to these changes, aside from a few pokes at the color and speed of the courts.  However, there has been plenty of dissent off the court, which is quickly tarnishing the luster that Tennis Australia has been applying to the Open. 

Last year, the tournament’s image was marred by clashes within the tennis grounds by Croatian and Serbian fans.

This year, at least two documented incidents have been reported involving ethnic groups of fans.  Thankfully, there has been no combat between fans this year.  But deterrents such as pepper spray and ejections have been used to quell rowdy behavior.

Finally – and it should be noted that this doesn’t directly deal with the tournament itself, but it just surfaced this week – there has been a controversy about a video showing Marcos Baghdatis at the Melbourne home of a member of the Hellas Fan Club (some fans from this supporters group were ejected from the Economidis/Gonzalez match, and were sprayed with pepper) denouncing the presence of Turks in his native Cyprus.

Bad’day mate!

Is there really something to this all?  From my limited years of Grand Slam viewing, I can’t recall many incidents like these occurring at the other Grand Slam events.  Certainly, I don’t remember such a prevalence of disturbances at a particular Slam.  Vocal New York fans during night matches have drawn plenty of ire from observers in the past (myself included), but the ethnically fueled incidents that have become common at the Australian Open are a different ballgame entirely.

Bud Collins, the famed tennis journalist, agrees.  “You wouldn't see anything like that at the US Open or Wimbledon or the French,” said Collins after he was asked about the pepper spray incident.

By contrast, Aussie Open director Craig Tiley is quick to remind us that these are isolated happenings.  “It is not a concern to us that it damages the image of the event because there are so many positives.  It is the happy slam,” said Tiley.

If there isn’t a problem that is specific to the Australian Open in regards to its fans, there is, at the very least, a potential problem.  And it’s up to Tennis Australia to continue their makeover of the Australian Open in order to smooth out these wrinkles.  This needs to be done for two big reasons.  The first is very important to their organization, while the second pertains to the well-being of the sport as a whole.

You may be unaware of this, but the Australian Open (nee 1905) is on a contracted basis.  The present contract will keep the event in Melbourne until 2016, but there have been rumblings that the tournament could move around the Asia/Pacific region on a rotational basis.  If nothing else, that would make the event’s subtitle that much more accurate.

Personally, I think the idea stinks, as it reeks of a moneymaking enterprise that would completely undermine the historic structure of the Grand Slams.  I’m sure many of you – and all of Australia – agrees.  Thus, I think any actions that would help the tournament’s image are important, because of the chilling prospect that the year’s first Slam could be held elsewhere.

But more importantly, there is something about the sport that needs to be considered in relation to all of this.  Tennis is one of the few sports where silence is required during the action.  The general atmosphere of a tennis match is filled with sportsmanship and respect, both from players and fans.  Few sports can claim to have this attribute, and it’s a quality that I am very proud to be associated with as a fan of tennis.  Of course, fans and players are welcome to express their joy or disapproval after a point – that’s what makes the tense, yet rousing nature of some of the late night thrillers what they are.

In tennis, the difference between a winner and an error is extremely small – Hawkeye has shown us micrometer-sized spaces more time than I can count.  The same, thin line exists between what is and what isn’t appropriate fan conduct.  I’m not worried about some sort of “new era” of tennis, where fans are allowed to yell absurdly and act as hooligans.  But when incidents such as what we’ve seen in Australia occur with the frequency that they have been this week, I have to wonder whether that line is – slowly – being blurred.

If...

You had to choose between James Blake or Andy Roddick, who finishes the year with a higher ranking?

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Andy Roddick all the way...he's been consistent for over 5 years and just ran into guys playing out of their minds the last 3 GS as you duly noted...save for the Fed...obviously Reeshard and Kosch haven't backed up their wins...well, I suppose there's still time for Kosch...but his tame loss to Jarkko was beyond annoying...

The Australian Open should remain in Australia forever (adhering to it's MAIN title) and if I had to choose, I say Roddick finishes higher.

I guess Roddick but I hope Blake would finish higher (even though I'm 100% for Federer in their match!)....

If answer is Andy Roddick for the reasons stated in Beckham's post at 12:18 PM.

Yes, yes. Everyone who beats Roddick is playing the matches of their lives. How many of these have to happen for us to see the common denominator that is Andy Roddick?

Still it's probably valid that the guys that have beaten him were playing out of their minds (except for Fed), but just had to play devil's advocate a bit.

>Contrast works best, which is why Philipp Kohlschreiber's black/neon attire was one of my favorites.

I think that's one of the worse outfits :P I like white on blue best, which is why Sharapova's outfit works.

Fed does seem to have started a "black clothes" trend among the men, especially black shoes/socks.

Paul Ryan,

I think you bring up a good point. It can't all be coincidence.

>"It is the happy slam,” said Tiley.

Heh, didn't Roger Federer call it that last year? I see they embraced the name as a promotional campaign lol

>Personally, I think the idea stinks, as it reeks of a moneymaking enterprise that would completely undermine the historic structure of the Grand Slams. I’m sure many of you – and all of Australia – agrees.

Yep, I'm completely with you on this. It's difficult enough to keep track of the Davis Cup, having a Grand Slam hopping around would be too much.

Besides, can you just see what it would do to the records? The surface, air, atmosphere, everything would change so much as to render any comparison to the previous era moot.

It should stay in Aussie-land... home of more great players than any other, IMO. (Not necessarily GOAT - just plain great.)

As for the crowd behavior, as I said the other night... if they served just a LITTLE less beer, a little less late into the evening, cooler and soberer heads, MIGHT prevail.

I disagree with the Aus open still being regarded as a a "second tier slam by some" -- that might have been true on the old days but it has been less so in the last decade and definitely NOT in the past five years or so. And who exactly are the "some" you mention here? Definitely not the players as far as I know.

And despite being an American I have a much larger appreciation for the atmosphere of Aus Open rather than the US open with all its overbearing jingoistic brouhaha.

Sher,

Yes, Roger is credited with coining AO the "happy slam." The TD said so on ESPN the other night.

Where do you live, Sher?

Agassi was wearing all black years ago, Sharapova's outfit didn't look good on the other players that wore it and was just as bland on Maria. Although she got the proportion right, some of her outfits seem to be a bit matronly, like the YEC car-wreck
I'll step out on a limb and say Blake will finish the year ranked higher than Andy.
there is a lot of pressure on Andy to do well with Conners in the box and so far it hasn't really paid off. Andy is more of a zombie on court now, seemed like a few years back, pre-Conners, he was reacting more than thinking. Now you can see the wheels turning and that has neutralized his game

Temes, "Carlos is afraid of them." I know it was on the other thread but it was good one. LOL! Go Justine, world's #1!

Maybe somebody can help me understand this:
Gonzalez is the finalist of the Aussie Open last year and is ousted in the early rounds this year and will fall OUT of the top 20's.
Sharapova is the winner of the US Open in 06 and is ousted in the second round in 07. What happened to her rankings? She is still IN the top 10. How does this work?
I wish them both well.

MrsTennis
Maria had accumulated lots of points , getting deep into the second week of all the slams and most of the tournaments she played. her only early loss was at the USO (possibly another tournament where i believe she withdrew with an injury) Don't think Gonzo had that kind of success all of last year. Maria did drop from #2 in the world to her current ranking of #5

I have to disagree with Roger's saying that Venus and Sania should have moved. It was their choice and they took it. Hello, it is 2OO8. Also, Venus denies that she said she would consider it "racist" if asked to move. You really have to be careful with what reporters print on the Williamses. This seems to happen a lot with them. Hmmm! I think Roddick will finish first, he's more consistent. Go Justine, world's #1!

Tangi: Toronto, Canada. Are you in the States?

>I have to disagree with Roger's saying that Venus and Sania should have moved.

Rather than disagreeing, maybe you should print the exact quote you are using. He said that if HE was asked to move at that point he would have accepted.

Answer to if..what Beckham said. Last AO disturbed me for that same reason it did you. I always viewed tennis as the sport that transcended nationality..so I am more than disturbed as this seemingly growing trend. With regards to the travelling Grand Slam, it's just a bad bad idea as the AO fought so hard for their legitimacy as one of the big boys. Really would be a shame to make it a road show.

Maria's outfit is cute and light-looking, it's something that looks comfortable to play in. Plus I love white on blue.

Roger is a bit of a chauvinist and kinda a block head when it comes to social issues or maybe better said he seems a bit clueless on anything outside his focus on his game. (remember the whole Althea Gibson brouhaha at the USO last year) . Venus was very clear on why she did not want to move and it made good sense, maybe Roger didn't hear her explanation

Where's your source for that quote Samantha Elin?

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http://www.australianopen.com/en_AU/news/interviews/index.html

Q. Based on what you just said, if you had been in the women's situation, the tournament came to you and asked you to move to Vodafone, would you have declined to do that?

ROGER FEDERER: I'm a pretty relaxed guy. Look, I don't ask for much in tournaments.

If I ask for something, you know, they know it's for real and they trust me, whatever.

But if they would come and tell me, You've got to move. Honestly, I think the players shouldn't have too much of a say. We're happy to be playing here and we're happy they're putting us on Rod Laver.

Is it bad to be on Vodafone? I don't think so. Still a wonderful court. I'm not going after the ladies, I'm just saying I would be pretty relaxed and I would accept anything they would have done with me really at that stage.
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Sher
Venus also had the doubles scheduling to think about, Roger does not play doubles, so maybe he would think differently about the situation if he had that to consider. this issue is not so black and white, lots of grey area here

Huh, I'd have to go with Andy, mostly because I think he's more likely to pick up points at Wimbledon. Both are bad on clay and good on hard courts.

For heaven's sake, Roger said he would have moved. A lot depends on whether you think they were asked to move because they are women or because Hewitt is Aussie.

As for rowdy fans, if Arlen Kantarian has his way, the US Open will get louder and rowdier. He was quoted as saying he wants the atmosphere to be like a gladiator fight. I can't remember the exact words, but gladiator was in there, and the sense was definitely that he wanted the crowd to be insane.

ED,

what an info packed Monday! Thanks.

As for James Andy debate, I would say that Andy will be higher ranked by the end of the year as he is more consistent.

Sher, my source was the same as your "I think the players shouldn't have too much of a say." Sher, I'm interpret those words to mean exactly what he's saying, that the choice belongs to the officials and not Venus and Sania. Again, I disagree, it should belong to the players. Also, what do you do with the people who have purchase tickets for that arena? If you purchase tickets for a certain court, then that it was you should get. Thank you for printing the quote.


Heidi
Roger said he would have moved. A lot depends on whether you think they were asked to move because they are women or because Hewitt is Aussie.
Great Point Roger is neither and maybe this is all above/below him depending on how much you like Roger

Agree Yello fuzz, good point.

It would be a total mistake to move the Australian Open from where it belongs ... I think for us in the other side of the globe in my case during my summer vacations in South America it is always very interesting to follow this tournament on TV. I am usually more looking forward to this Grand Slam that to any of the rest. Plus I hope to travel to Australia to watch it live in the near future.

I guess Rodick will do better unless Blake defeats Roger and reaches the semis which seems too big a task for him.

I would love the polish girl to arrive to the finals I think that the 3 rookies (the 2 polish girls and the danish girl) played quite well yesterday and none of them was blown out of the court by their more experienced opponents. It would be funny if the polish girl gets to defeat Venus and has to play Sharapova at the finals ...

Regarding the scheduling issue: I agree with those that say that it is up to the tournament director, and that the players should respect any reasonable and legitimate decision from him. I do not think that Venus won any fan with her stubborness.

Hi Sher,

I live in the state of Wisconsin in the U.S. I have been to Vancouver and Calgary and really enjoyed visiting Canada. Do you attend the Toronto ATP tourney? Have you ever seen Roger play? You seem like quite a fan of his. :)))

linex
HHHmmm The tournament directors just asked Venus and she made the decision?
http://www.australianopen.com/en_AU/news/interviews/2008-01-20/200801201200786558187.html here's the link to her interview
they approached both Venus and Sania,
I also think more and more people find strong women compelling,


Samantha:

Tickets usually come with disclaimers (for bad weather, for rescheduling etc). When you buy a ticket for a Grand Slam in advance (which is the case generally with Roland Garros) you get a ticket for the outside courts and one ticket for court Nº 1 or for S. Lenglen or for Chatrier). People do not know how many matches will be played in that court or who is going to be playing there niether.

It was no big deal if Venus and Sania played in Vodafone, people who preferred to watch them would have gone to the other court with the same ticket that they had for Rod Laver Arena. After venus was donde they would have caught more than half of Hewitt´s match if they wanted by returning to Rod Laver Arena...

Yello fuzz:

I know that the tournament officials asked them about their opinion but I agree with Roger who said that the players should not have a final word on those issues like where and when to play.

>For heaven's sake, Roger said he would have moved.

Exactly. I can't believe this dead horse is being resurected (but I guess it's not a day's work if we don't flog something around here). The guy did not say anything about whether Venus's match should have been moved, end of story. It's not even in the question posed to him (check the pronouns). The only reason I'm even intertaining this line of discussion is because I don't want other people coming into this thread to get the wrong impression from Samantha's unsourced comments.

I sense a horse feeling unwell.

linex
I think, since both Venus and Sania both are in the doubles draw, scheduling becomes a major issue, that probably was the deciding factor. Venus has been on tour of many years and sat through many rain delays, and with all the griping about players withdrawing from the 'dubs' when they go far in the singles draw, These 2 ladies chose to stay put and stay on schedule

Tangi,

I haven't even been to Vancouver myself, lol.

>Do you attend the Toronto ATP tourney? Have you ever seen Roger play? You seem like quite a fan of his. :)))

Every year I rue that we don't have grass or clay court tournaments in Canada. I'd really like to watch him there. I think I'm going to this year's tourney since it looks like the semis will fall on my birthday. But I'm also trying to get tickets to Wimbledon, so we'll see. This is the first year I'm trying to do so, thus I don't even know what my chances are.

I really wanted to go to Rome this year, but I chickened out at the last moment because I don't speak Italian. (Tickets sold out now I guess). Have you ever attended any tournaments in Europe? How was it? I've only been to one last year -- RG (although I toured Wimbledon grounds).

CL: I've got my beating stick out.

I think this is being a little harsh on JJ. I was concerned about how she would recover from the Paszek match, but I feel like she's been playing better each time. Henin may not have lost a set but she's had some problems with her serve, and from what I've seen her matches were closer than the score would indicate.

Another thing I'm kind of considering doing is volunteering for the week of the tournament in Toronto. I would have to do it after work (evening shift) and I'm not sure what I could actually do for the tournament, but it could be an interesting experience plus a way to give back to tennis in a small way.

Given how much Australia has meant to tennis history and present and to the wonderful way it has conducted its open, moving it would be a true crime or blight on going for the money. I am not sure why Asia suddenly deserves to be featured any more than it is, given the relative absence of dominant players from there. That will probably change, but South America has produced more champions and does not even have a masters level tournament. The only complaint about AO should be when it is played. That is up for legitimate debate.

Here I go again, but why do the women always [and I think "always" is the correct term as I have never seen a men's match at 7:30 followed by a women's feature match] get to play the first evening match? At US and AO, only the men are playing well past midnight. The women want equal money, yet play only 2 of 3 and always get the cush schedule. It is criminal to have really important matches played at 1 or 2 in the morning in any case. Going well past 4 am is beyond absurd.

Sounds like Venus was a prima donna about not going to Vodafone. Being asked to go to an outside court with no Hawk-eye is one thing. To the other show court, that is no slight. So, she put her "comfort" in front of the Aussie hero and thousands of fans.

Sounds like even King Roger would have moved. He has occasionally played on Armstrong at USOpen and Court 1 at Big W. I do think #1 seed should get you some preferential scheduling. What is Venus seeded? Since when does a#8 seed dictate court scheduling? At USOpen, Agassi got the first semi so he could rest for Sunday's final even though Roger was seeded #1. I did not hear him complain, but he should have. Until last year, he was not playing his second match until Friday of the first week, whereas the #2 seed played his second match two years ago on Wed of the first week. Thus, Roger had to play 6 matches in 9 days. Fortunately, it did not rain so it worked out, but no $1 seed should be treated so shabbily. It could conspire to lessen his or her chances to win the tournament. They finally did it right in 07, but not for two years running with bad scheduling for Roger.

Sooner or later, the USOpen's schedule is going to be blitzed like Wimbledon sometimes is. Why they don't go for covered stadia is beyond me. Where is there more money than at USOpen?

Not trying to arrange more work for our hard working Ed, but I believe the main element of the "contact" is that the AO is in Melbourne as opposed to Sydney or Adelaide. Like the British Open in Golf, the AO used to rotate among Australian cities.

It would be astonishing for the AO to move, to say, Tokyo in 2017. For starters, I can't believe Tennis Australia would let it go without a fight.

Even if a promoter in another Asian country arranged the sponsorship, the ATP and WTA would have a say, and I sort of do not see the benefit to moving the Grand Slams around.

Now, you might argue that if both tours could ever agree on a joint set of, say, eight to ten additional mandatory entry Masters Series like events, perhaps a case could be made to rotate those around the world for the benefit of fans -- I mean, if there are only eight to ten of anything it will not be enough to service a world of fans.

Also, remember that right now the ATP cannot even adjust its schedule because promoters of lower than Masters Series tournaments are not incentivised to move them. I hardly see a cavalier move of the AO to be likely.

Finally, my bias is for continuity, for example, I would have no difficulty if the Summer Olympics were always held in Greece, rather than rotated around the world.

JUST NEED TO ADD ONE MORE "LICK" TO THE UNWELL HORSE. I'M NOT GOING AFTER THE LADIES [important disclaimer by Rog, I think].

Q. Based on what you just said, if you had been in the women's situation, the tournament came to you and asked you to move to Vodafone, would you have declined to do that?

ROGER FEDERER:. . .I'm not going after the ladies, I'm just saying I would be pretty relaxed and I would accept anything they would have done with me really at that stage.


CL, lol. Me too.

Really looking forward to the matches tonight. Would love to see Henin-Sharapova but don't want to throw my body off. I guess I will just watch it replayed tomorrow. I just hope it's not anticlimactic one way or another.

>Here I go again, but why do the women always [and I think "always" is the correct term as I have never seen a men's match at 7:30 followed by a women's feature match] get to play the first evening match?

Because if the men's match goes 5 sets, the women's match could literally start on the next day. I think the players have the right of it when they say that the problem is how late the night session starts. It should start at least an hour earlier, maybe more. 6pm is reasonable, isn't it?

>Finally, my bias is for continuity, for example, I would have no difficulty if the Summer Olympics were always held in Greece, rather than rotated around the world.

Olympics being only once every 4 years makes a bit more sense to move around the globe than a slam for a sport that goes January-December every year.

They wanted Hewitt on Rod Laver because he's an aussie, not because he's a man.

I dare say they would done the same for Venus or Serena in the USO over, lets say, a Gasquet-Ferrer match.

I am poking the 2 day old carcass with a stick , It's dead alright

o wait one of it's legs is twitching

Tangi -- how are you going to manage watching figure skating nationals and the AO this weekend? I'm going to go blind.

Sher,

I attended the FO final between Seles and Sanchez Vicario in '91. I was a big fan of Seles so it was great to watch her win. But you only get to see one match. I would rather attend during the first week of a slam when all the courts are busy and you can see multiple matches (at least that's how it works at the USO). There is such a cool buzz in the first few days, when everthing is still possible.

Volunteering sounds like a great idea! A behind-the-scenes look. I am dying to see Roger play. I hope to make it to Cincy or Toronto this year.

Sher:


I did not understando your 2.56 post. Of what dead horse are you talking about? I know that Roger did not talk directly about Venus. I usually inform myself and I had read the transcript from his interview before Samantha posted her comments.

Here at TW are all pretty informed and whenever there is a misleading statement it is immediately clarified by any of us. So it is stupid from us to try to mislead the rest.

I am not on vacations today but at the office, taking probably an "illegal break from work", and I found Roger´s words appropiate as usual, he is pretty rational and intelligent individual. He just said that this type of decision should be made by the tournament officials and not by the players and I just said that I agreed with the statement.

When I post something I usually do it in good faith and taking into account that I am free to express myself on relevant topics.

Hi Heidi!

That is a good question!!! LOL Why is it always feast or famine?I haven't taken a good look at the TV schedule but I think I'll have to tape something. Uh oh, that means I'm gonna have to make some room on my DVR. Always a problem for me. And I have two of them!

BTW, Emily Hughes is out w/an injury. I'm not a big fan of hers, anyway. I suspect trying to juggle school and skating is catching up with her. I'm crossing my fingers that Alissa Czisny's "head" shows up. I love her skating. And I hope that Evan Lysacek beats Johnny Weird. I think his name should officially be changed to that. LOL

Linex, dead horse refers to this topic, which has been argued so much around here that it's like beating a dead horse.

linex, I agree with your latest post; I try to write in good faith myself and was not responding to any of your own comments in this thread.

Robin:it's my theory that if the women played second after an evening-session thriller from the men, more fans would be likely to leave the stadium after the first match than having it the other way round. I can think of many cases where, had it been the other way around, that's what I would have done. That isn't to say that there are no great women's matches that I would have stayed for - but, fewer. Especially, fewer early-round matches from the women are highly-competitive. Though in the later rounds, I'm reluctant to make any such judgment.

tangi, you should come on over for sure :)

I was in Paris in earlier stages of the tournament, and watched the final from home (can see the ball better) so I know what you mean about getting there on the match-filled days.

Tangi, was it at the last Olympics that Johnny Weir dressed as a swan with his hand as the beak? That was something.

Psst, Tangi, I think you should try for Cincy in 2008 since Roger has good luck with Toronto and seemingly worse luck with Montreal, and when he plays well in Toronto he sometimes crashes out next week in Cincy.

I meant to say try for Cincy in 2009. sleep deprivation is really playing havoc on my typing.

Sher,

At least in NY, I think the rationale is that 6 p.m. is too early for people who work 9-5, as I would bet that most professional people in NYC work long past 5 p.m. They'd never get there in time.

Or,

I agree with your 3:11 post.

And I agree with whoever said they would be fine with the Olympics always being held in Athens. While it's cool to have it held in different countries, it's not very practical. It's crazy that all these cities go into major debt for a once-in-a-lifetime, two-week event. It's such a waste of resources.

Venus and Sania are intelligent and understand the nature of the sport, with rain delays, and 5 hour mens matches, they made their decision on what was best for them and ultimately that should be good for the tournament. Thats kinda why they chose to stay
will someone please put a stake in the heart of this vampire horse

hi gang !

i'm still puzzeled at my VCR... this morning i set to reccord eurosport, i'm sure to have entered the right channel... and before i left it was recording and it all went to the twillight zone !!!
i don't know how but it reccorded absolutely nothing !!! :((

no ferru, no juanqui, no djoko and hewy... damn ! but all your comments were fun to read... ;P

well federer got through the bad spell of my VCR.. could be a good sign for him and worst things can happen ;)
but i definitely will be using another tape for rafa tonight !

berdych lost his way ? not surprising he's becoming marat-like , except marat did make it in the big stage... and he only loses now coz he's bored with himself playing tennis that sucks... well, most of the times...

It'll be a busy weekend for us, Tangi. I think it should be a very good nats. I can use it to console myself should my favorites in tennis lose, because I have almost no favorites at this nats -- I like a lot of the ksaters.

Sher,

I'm a little worried that Roger will drop out of Cincy. The schedule is so packed, he might need to take a breather in there somewhere. Toronto just seems like a safer bet. Plus, I would love to visit Toronto! I suspect it's much more like Vancouver than Calgary. :))) I traveled to both those cities to attend the World Figure Skating Championships. Do you follow skating? Canadians really know their stuff.

Jenni,

I think that was the Olympics. Yes, that was quite a costume. All of his are bizarre. jbradhunter and I are angling to take over the design of men's skating costumes. :)))

Tangi, I watch some, but I feel so bad every time one of them (usually the girl) hurts themselves that I almost can't handle watching the action, I keep waiting for the injury to occur. So I very rarely watch it, actually.

That said, one face I remember is Sasha Cohen who has such a beautiful style but is an absolute headcase when it comes to competing. She's a pleasure to watch when she's simply performing, but when medals get into her head she's worse then Berdych on set point against Federer. If I'm rooting for men, it's usually the russians who in my honest opinion have the choreography down pat even if feeling sometimes seems to be missing.

Heidi,

I think it should be an interesting nationals. It's kind of a transitional year, and I think all the titles are up for grabs, except for ice dance. Should be fun.

I'm bummed that NBC is covering it this year. I don't like the trio of Tom Hammond, Sandra Bezic and Scott Hamilton. I'll miss Dick and Peggy. Just won't be the same. Without their voices the event somehow doesn't carry the same air of importance. I hate to see tradition fall by the wayside, I guess.

>Plus, I would love to visit Toronto! I suspect it's much more like Vancouver than Calgary. :)))

Toronto probably is. It's got a prettier skyline from the lake, anyway :)
My friend lives in Vancouver so I intend to visit her sometime soon. She owes me a trip to Whistler where I am going to snowboard and hopefully not die. *snorts*

yellow fuzz... trust me on this... there is no horse so dead that it cannot be willed back to life here at TW. I think there is a a discussion winding up on another thread about "what the meaning of is, is." :-)

(Maybe we should go into the equine rescue business.)

Tangi -

I agree with you re: Toronto and Cinci, Toronto seems like a better bet.

It would also depend how Roger's year would be shaping up, and whether there's a golden slam/slam on the line.

Sher,

You are right on about Sasha Cohen. She's figure skating's version of "best player to never have won a slam."

The only skaters in danger of serious injury are the female pairs skaters. And even those cases are rare. So don't worry too much. :)

OK, Sher, I have to ask every Canadian this question. Are you a Michael Buble fan? I am nuts about him. He and Roger are my two boyfriends. LOL Although I'm seriously thinking about adding Darren Cahill to my list. :)))

Rosangel,

Your point about getting people to stay for the most compelling match is obviously spot on. That is not my concern. If someone truly fights for equality (legitimately equality), great. So, in the interests of equality, the men should not have to always play the last match, way into the night.

Many of us have felt how late hours throws one off and we are not even playing. I could not let go of the Federer match and for the first time in decades, I stayed up past 5 am EST in US. I am still not the same. I am no Hewitt fan, but playing that match and not getting to bed until 8 AM cannot do anything but harm to one's biorhythms. It throws off eating and practice schedules.

I do like the earlier suggestion about starting evening earlier, say 6 pm. That would mean day session would have to start earlier, but so be it. If you can get off work to attend a day session, you can go at 10 am just as well as 11 am in most cases. Playing well past midnight is just insane. There is lots of documentation about how working night shifts takes its toll on people's health and reflexes and how sleep deprived people are as dangerous as drunk drivers in terms of reactions and decisions. I am amazed at the quality of some of these night matches [credit adrenaline] but it is usually the next day or day after where the effect takes hold.

You guys don't know me, but I am completely comfortable with my attitudes towards people of any minority or who have been prejudiced against. In case anyone is interested, I have three sisters, all bright and headstrong. Two of them are physicians (one now deceased, the finest person I have ever known). My father wrote me in Sept 1944 on my birthday when he was a Chaplain in US Navy stationed in N. Africa and South of France. He reminded me that Jesus taught us to love all people, even the Germans and Japanese. I doubt there were 10 people in US who would have written that sentiment. Our family's history of fighting prejudice is too long to detail, but my dad risked his career integrating churches in 1940s and my deceased sister risked her life signing up blacks to vote in Mississippi in the 1960s. My first sports hero was Jackie Robinson and Arthur Ashe's picture is the only one in my office. If I were ever out of line on human rights, my entire family would get on me, but they don't need to. So, this is not anti-women, but about equality and being consistent in applying fair principles to such decisions.

The fans are often not considered either. Not every good fan can afford to watch a match into the wee hours especially on work nights. It is a difficult decision to be sitting there with a child or grandchild trying to determine when you just have to leave to get that young person in bed. I know we cannot script tennis matches, nor do we want to, but starting 3 of 5 set matches after 10 pm is a recipe for disaster. It excludes some people in person and many who watch on TV. Tv ratings go down and we lose audiences that we might need to build the sport. Baseball has lost considerable appeal to young people in US in part because so many playoff games go well past bedtime for children. Short-term thinking. Somehow the French and Wimbledon truck on without playing late at night.

By the way, even playing at night is questionable. Some players do not play as well under the lights. If memory serves me, I think Borg did not like or play well under the lights in USOpen. I know he lost some crucial matches at night, but they were also deep into the tournament when he was facing tougher competition. I have never been able to play well under the lights as about one shot per game gets lost in the lights' glare and I get a late start in reacting or lose the ball on high volleys right at contact point [even when much younger]. I would hate to play any match that really mattered under the lights. The majors seem to have better lighting, but still, I think who gets to or has to play at night is a factor that rarely gets considered in analysis of outcomes.

It's funny yello fuzz, you've applied more artificial respiration to the horse than anyone. :)

What about Michelle Kwan then?

Robin,

Thanks for sharing that with us. Your father must have been quite a man . . .

--Liron

You get a sense of true character when family is brought up.

ptenisnet,

Are you asking whether Michelle Kwan will be competing at nationals?

She no longer competes, although she hasn't officially retired. A la Seles and Capriati. Partly due to a hip injury but also the fact that the sport has passed her by technically. Even a healthy Kwan could not compete w/today's ladies, I'm sorry to say.

I find it an interesting illustration of how relatively low the cameraderie is on the tour that the stand off on scheduling occurred anyway.

Its kind of obvious that in Australia, Hewitt is going to play his matches on the largest stadium court.

If Venus Williams was asked whether she would be willing to move, and, realizing that the decision tree was (i) move, and save Hewitt, Baghdatis and thier fans from the possibility of a match ending after three a.m., (ii) elect to stay, forcing the organizers to move their country's last best hope to a smaller court or keep everyone there until the middle of the night, the decision was to resist a court change.

I heard the announcers praising Venus for the decision last night, but I don't see any merit in it. Had the matches not run so long, the organizers were obviously very happy about having Williams/Mirza on a show court. What more respect do you want?

It was basically a big "finger" to Hewitt and Baghdatis, as a player, I'm not sure if there is any other way to realistically characterize it.

If the following match had been Serena vs. Sharapova, would Venus have taken of a position that would have forced the match to begin at almost midnight? Of course not. "Oh, its not my sister, its only a couple of guys, who cares?"

The sooner everyone realizes that in tennis the ATP and WTA tours do not compete with one another the better.

Cl & Jr
check out the post by Dunlop Maxply, I've put my stick away, if you keep poking you will
poke a hole in the carcass and release the maggots. I admit I am one of those maggots, but I have left the carcass and evolved into a beautiful...fly!? In search of new piles of
well 'nuff said'

Well said, DM. I still say the tournament should not have even asked, they should have made and executive decision, and it's even more unfortunate that the media has set Venus up as some kind of heroine for her refusal. It is sad to see this set up as a women vs. men moment.

Tangi
I meant in terms of best player never to ...
She had the worst case of serial bad luck.

dead horses'rafa graveyard :
the most passionate of all of them : cake draw rafa
our beloved one : no hc game rafa
he was the best of us : slowing down courts nadal
the very discrete : slice kills rafa
the last one : unworthy foes nadal
the most cheeky : fist pump vamos arrghh

there are so many more... i just can't name them all, i'm starting feeling teary... big sob... this is so sad, and it's all our big fault...
not to mention the fed's, djoko and marat own horses graveyard...

do you think i can still run for the oscars after my incredible sobing role in marieJ the horse sober ?

DM: You make some good points about:
1) keeping OA in Oz and 2) the stadium issue.

I would point out that the TD is the one at fault. He put Venus and Sania in the position to make the decision that he did not want to make. It was easy to throw it on their backs so they could take the blame if things went wrong. However, I think it was obvious that he wanted them to move to Vodaphone by merely asking them to consider it, but he was not enough of a big boy to just go ahead and make the scheduling change himself. As a fan, I wouldn't have cared that the women were moved--clearly it should have bee an administrative decision. Scheduling has been wacky enough, and this really wouldn't have raised eyebrows except the women were put in the capacity of decision-makers.

Thanks, L Rubin. I just found out about that letter in October two days before his memorial service. [My four-year old memory must have misplaced hearing it read to me long ago.] It only increased my considerable pride to have been his first born.

And I should have added, that whether or not their is cameraderie on the tours is probably irrelevant to most casual fans.

The more serious fans seem, based on experience including reading this blog, to be more inclinded to follow their favorites.

The list of people who value the etiquitte of tennis is getting shorter all the time.

The viewership of the sport does not seem to suffer, so its really a matter of taste, in the end.

Dunlop Maxply
Back to that the dead horse,
Venus and Sania both made the decision to stay, it wasn't Queen Venus making the decision . Is there a reason why Venus is being made to look like the villain here?

and i forgot midnight run equality :) still sobing...

It's not Venus' responsibility to balance the competing interests of the tournament, herself, sania, baggy, hewitt, and the australian home crowd. That is the job of the tournament director. Supposing that the decision really was Venus', she held the interests of all of the above parties in her hands . . . a ridiculous level of power to give to a tennis player.

Also, what about Domachowski and Na Li; Venus' potential opponents who were not even given the chance to play that day? Venus' decision effectively gave herself an extra nights rest in comparison to her opponent. Every other player in Venus' half of the draw had to play the next day; except for Venus. Doesn't Venus care about competitive fairness? I have no doubt that she does, but she is only one tennis player and it is fundamentally unfair to ask her to do the tournament directors' job for him.

I have no idea what Venus did or did not "stand up for"; all I know is that the tournament director made a mess of things. Venus got a leg up on her opposition (through entirely innocent intent on her part, I should strongly add) and the men were prejudiced, due to the tournament director.

Finally, do we really think Venus wouldn't have been moved for Dellacqua, if the situation arose? Venus' job is to do what is right for Venus and to play within the rules established by the Director; Venus acted in good faith and the Director dropped the ball.

I don't know all the details about this scheduling deal. Were the officials asking Venus and Sania to play their match on Vodafone at the same time...just switch courts so the men could start immediately on RLA? If that was the case, then I think the women should have moved. Now if they were asking the women to switch courts AND change to a later time or the next day...well, I can understand them not wanting to. This is the AO so naturally they would want Hewitt on RLA - not switching him to Vodafone. All GS are partial to their own at some point.

But I agree that the schedule comes down to the tournament officials. If they feel switching courts is necessary, then it should be done. Scheduling should be the official's call, not the players.

Personally I hate when the media asks other players to comment on another situation. This had nothing to do with Roger. Asking him to comment on it is just a way to get Roger to say something so they can print it for a headline. Luckily Roger is getting better at recognizing this kind of media ploy. He answered very diplomatically and always referred to what HE would do...not what the ladies. did.

Henin-Maria match...D match that i hv waited for long time(it was just abt a2 months..Is that consider a long time?)i hope it wil be a climatic interesting match..if maria beat henin ill salute her wit ful of respect..abt serena-jankovic match..serena has powerful serve but she is nt a good mover evntho she insist that she is..jankovic is a good mover but she need to working on her serve..predict who wil thru to the semifinal btwen these matches...

Robin: That was a great post - thank young for sharing that.

Robin: That was a great post - thank you for sharing that.

I don't think anyone is setting Venus up as a villain. She clearly did nothing remotely wrong. The TD gave her a choice, and she made it.

CM,

The last paragraph of your 5:02 is spot on. As if Federer had anything to do with it at all. This type of "fishing for quotes" while understandable considering the people asking the questions write for a living, should not be encouraged.

Tari and Lisa,

I agree wholeheartedly. It was the TD's call, and he should have done what was in the best interests of ALL the players and fans. Yes, fans should be taken into consideration. I fail to see how moving the women's match to Vodafone would have adversely affected Venus and Sania. Vodafone is a show court, too. It's not as if they were being moved to the back alley.

I must have missed the halycon days when there was camaraderie between the ATP and WTA. When exactly were they? My recollection is the ATP used to actively despise the WTA but are now resentfully putting up with them.

Hey M -

I put in that second tier line for two reasons - one, I think the casual sports fan tends not to associate the AO with the USO, or Wimbledon, for example. And some of these (read: more subtle) changes that are made to the majors are aimed at attracting the casual fan to watch and attend that might not otherwise.

Secondly, even though the AO is a bonafide slam in the eyes of everyone in tennis, it still nevertheless is a rung below the other three in terms of history and identity...and I think that's what Tennis Australia is trying to develop (obviously over time) with these changes.

Cool seeing "Tari and Lisa" together on this board. I have a sister named Lisa, so it sort of surprised me at first! :)

You stated that Jacko Tipsarevic "WENT OUT MEEKLY" AGAINST NADAL AT THE US OPEN> How Jacko got past a wild card Ryan Sweeting in the first round was even more a surprise. Didn't you see the knee wrap on him and his limping after every point?

No, he did not go out meekly, he was hurt!

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