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Sister's Keeper
Posted 07/05/2008 @ 4 :24 PM

Venus_2 It was a match made in heaven, played by two young ladies who had been through hell. Venus and Serena met in a Grand Slam final for the first time in five years - five long years, filled with turmoil and sometimes tedium, grief and controversy, exile, moments of exoneration and exhiliration, with a fair amount of (bull) excrement flung into the mix - and from all sides -  for good measure.

The last time the Sisters met in a major final - five years ago, right here - Serena Williams sledgehammered one of the bigger dents into Venus's reputation by winning on Centre Court for the second time in their family rivalry. If Serena won again today, to go 3-0 against Venus here, the claim that Venus ranks with the greatest grass-court performers of all time would have had a hollow ring, despite the four championship trophies she'd  carted off.

Five years ago, it also seemed that the Williams family dynamics cast Venus as the Cinderella sister, and she galdly took on the job of sweeping the hearth and taking out the ashes - presumably after all those news articles and papers proclaiming Serena the queen of tennis had been burned up to make room for more.

Time and again, Venus talked about taking care of her "little sister", Serena, about how Serena - the  baby in the family - needed the validation and glory represented by triumph on the court slightly more than Venus did. Often, Venus seemed to say those things with a slight undercurrent of wistfulness, as if somewhere it was written that it would be ever thus, and what sorrows or disappointments that might accrue for Venus were of the kind that she would never share with world. Meanwhile, many tennis fans were troubled or baffled  by the complexities of the situation, and the way they appeared to influence the matches the sisters played against each other. Between Miami of 2002 and that 2003 Wimbledon, Serena won six consecutive matches, and only the last two went to three sets.

Although Venus and Serena had not played a major final since 2003, Venus won two of their three most recent meetings and seemed to signal that the period of coddling Serena, of letting the baby of the family rage on and have her way, might be over. In a press conference after the match, Serena was asked if she looked up at the family members gathered in the player-guest box, and, if so, what did she see there?

She replied: "Yeah, it's kind of hard to look up there because I don't know what they're thinking, like if they're gonna say, you know, do this or do that, c'mon, I don't know. . . I just really tried to gather strength from myself."

I took that to mean: What good are they, they're probably okay with the idea of Venus winning, instead of me - to hail with them. . .

I exaggerate for effect, but let's remember that this is a selfish sport; other tennis players have flat-out driven siblings clear out of the game with their dominance games. And at the end of the day, it isn't Serena's fault if she's been indulged and coddled. And that's what today seemed to be all all about, in terms of the family dynamic. It was time to deny the baby in the family - to send the message that as much as she is loved, it isn't always all about her. Granted, it's a fairly late time to send that message, but you know how tennis players are - old and wise beyond their years in some ways, babes in others.

Point Today, Venus asserted her right to win a big match against Serena. Today, she declared that for a few short hours, while she hunted personal honor and glory, she would not be her sister's keeper. As a result, the sisters played a great match. In fact, it was the highest level of women's tennis I've ever witnessed. And while so far I've focused on the psychology of the match, I'd felt all along that there were  concrete reasons for why Venus ought to win (you can read them via the link). That she did, and pretty much for just those reasons, merely confirmed that whatever subtexts influenced previous matches, this one was free of them - much like everyone had hoped, and some had expected. Five years is a long time in tennis.

And what tennis it was. Serena showed that she's an extraordinary, bold, fearless shotmaker, while Venus demonstrated that she covers the court better than anyone in the women's game. If there was a down side, it was the sense that as Serena has matured, she's lost mobility. I don't know how that can be reversed, or even if it can be reversed, but there's got to be some solace for her fans in the fact that she will be able to dictate and blaze her way to wins on any surface but clay for a long time - no matter what happens. In the first two games, Serena was nothing less than savagely adept, just rippping balls with a dazzling combination of pace and placement: As Venus said in her presser:

"To be honest, this is the Wimbledon final, so of course I expected her to play that well.  And, of course, I mean, she's Serena Williams. She can pull out anything. I did expect her to just be all over anything I put out there. But I didn't really think a lot; I just kept playing, and it wasn't looking that great, you know (in the first set) - 3-1, 4-2, but then, when it got to be even, it was closer."

Venus raised her own level sufficiently to break back in the fourth set, and from that point on it was a question of whether Serena could hit more winners than Venus could run down as she turned points in her favor simply by extending them. That's always a tough assignment for the shotmaker, and once again pure shotmaking ability did not prove sufficient.

The one asterisk applied to this match-up was alongside Venus's serve. Despite having trouble with the swirling winds, she settled down and as the match went on she served better and better. "The serve has been key for me here," she said. "I felt like any time I need it, it was pulling me out of any bind."

Venus was in a mellow, friendly mood in her presser; Serena, by contrast, was not. But that was hardly surprising, given the break this represented from the dynamic that dominated five or six years ago, back when both women were capable of getting to finals to play each other. Serena was aloof and sullen, keeping her own counsel; underneath it, I imagine she was going, Waaaahhhhhh! She had a difficult time finding anything to be cheery about, which was only a little odd, given that her sister had just performed an epic feat at Wimbledon. But for Serena, it's all about Serena. And hey, this ought to make fans of all those players not named Williams, whom Serena routinely torches, realize that it's nothing personal. It's just the way Serena is, and at least she doesn't put on a false front.

Remember that "let" call that resulted in Venus winning the fairly critical ninth game of the first set, to go up 5-4? Serena hit a shot that seemed to be sailing wide, and cried out "Oh no!" Venus let the ball drop - it appeared to land in - but the umpire had already called "let." He ordered a replay, but both women started for their chairs - presumably, Serena surrendered up the point, feeling her cry was a distraction.

When Serena was asked what happened, she stonily replied: "I don't know."

Did the ball land in or out? Do you know?

Again, she said, "I don't know."

When you came over to the side of the court, did you hav a discussion with him (the umpire)?

"Yeah," she said, "I forgot about the match, pretty much."

It was a bizarre moment and many people laughed nervously. Clearly, Serena was no longer interested in talking. All of this was a little surreal, and proof positive that warm and fuzzy family feelings were the last thing on anyone's mind. But isn't that what everyone has hoped for and wanted? The significance of the encounter was not lost on anyone. Perhaps Venus put it best when she said:

You know, uhm, I think the level of play was really high. I think a lot of the times one of us was overpowering the other.  So I hit a hard ball on the line, she can't get it back.

Or, you know, I tried to go for too much because I'm anticipating that she's gonna run my shot down.  Or I hit a huge serve, she hits one I can't return.

So in between us overpowering each other we had, I think, some really competitive rallies and intense points, you know, where one player would come back and take the point, when it looked like the other player was gonna win.So, you know, we're both very powerful, and I think it showed out there.

Nobody can say what the next five years will bring, but the one thing I hope it delivers is more matches of this quality -  even if means Venus firmly saying no to her baby sister.

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Congrats to Venus, and Serena too. They are both great champions!

Agreed. Good final. Appeared to have a change in dynamic. I'm glad we got to see the effects of what happens when we expect them to go out there and fight like they are enemies. As for the sullen Serena, I think most sportspeople are selfish and sullen in defeat (although many appear to hide it well). Part of being a champion is believing that every match is on your racquet and no one else's. Well that's my opinion anyway.

Thank you for such a beautiful piece on the match and the "after-match".

While people do rightly call Serena a sore loser in many cases, it just goes on to show how really competitive she is and really does not want to lose period. And I think this frustration when channeled well, may have helped her on occasions when she came from behind to win just as it may have hurt her in cases when she lost while taking the initial lead.

I am glad Venus won that match. Serena is a good player but deafening your opponents isn't the best sportmanship I've seen. CONGRATULATIONS VENUS !!!!

first!! yeah!!

Thanks Pete for this wonderful post. It was a wonderful match and I do so hope that TC gets a chance to repeat the final ad nauseam

I am going to say something here for which I may never be forgiven - I am sorry that both Rafa and Roger got to the finals. It would have been so much better for tennis if Safin and Schuletter had made the finals or Mathieu or someone else. I think it would have been better for men's tennis on a whole if we could finally see the depth in men's tennis.

TMF Rules-- I forgive you already. It must be hard living with such a massive and debilitating head injury. And you're clearly both drunk and on hallucinogens as well, so you have my sympathy.
:)

venus was the one making the noise today, so i guess she didn't deserve to win either.

Congratulations to Venus for her 5th Wimbledon title and to the Williams Sisters for their 3rd Wimbledon double title and 100th match win.

This was the Williams sisters match I have been waiting for. I have always been firmly convinced that despite all the commentary written and spoken about Serena being the better player and despite the on court results, when Venus makes up her mind to win...she is unbeatable!!! (As her father remarked a few years ago, she just has to make up her mind!)

Today I saw Venus play an opponent instead of her baby sister. The results were obviously different from the past matches where she has been so visibly differential (and mournfully so) to her younger sibling's will to "always win." I am happier for Venus crossing that line than I am for her final victory.

Serena has shown the world time and time again her true colors and character in a losing situation and I have witnessed from afar the effects her moping and baby demands to win and be coddled in the process have had on Venus. But today...gloriously today...finally today...wonderfully today...Venus stepped into the shoes she was born to wear and played like the CHAMPION she is and always will be. Not once did I sense that Serena's little attitude meltdowns on the other side of the court were penetrating Venus' determination to defend her title. Venus just went on about her business...and took care of business. Sooooo glad to see that. I am as pleased and proud of her as if I knew her personally.

Serena is a gifted player, yes, but great? I define greatness by the aura of a rare combination of humanity and divine that descends on a person who knows that he or she has something that very few others have yet can remain firmly rooted in the realization that this something sets them apart from but not superior to us mere mortals. Serena has yet to trancend to that rarified atmosphere, and I personally find her current demeanor extremely unattractive.

I remember reading a quote from Pete Sampras after his induction into the Tennis Hall of Fame. He said that he knows himself to be a tennis player - no more, no less - and that is good enough for him. I think about all of his accomplishments on the tennis court and if Mr. Sampras can keep a balanced perspective on who he really is - a tennis player (and has not, as Rafa's uncles imparted to him to teach him humility, found a cure for cancer), then surely Ms. Serena Williams can find a way out of her sullen, surly reactions to anybody's victories other than hers, realize that she is a tennis player -no more, no less - and give us all a break.

Well done, Venus. Hold that dish high. You earned it, girl!!!

I am hearing what people are saying/suggesting about Venus's not fully asserting herself when playing Serena in the past, but I have to remind everyone that Venus has beaten Serena 8 of the 16 times they have played. So, today's Venus victory is not something new and unusual.

I'm happy for Venus! But while their level of play was high, I wouldn't say it was the "highest level of women's tennis I have ever witnessed," Peter. I would say the Justine Henin/Venus Williams semi-final at last year's US OPen was the best I've ever seen.

Mrs Tennis,

Great eloquent comment. You're saying what I think far better than I could.

I follow both sisters and think Serena has a bit more growing up to do. If she does we may have two fabulous champions!

Great post Pete!

I have no doubt that in the back of Serena's mind she was happy for her sister but she was devasted to lose to someone who simply outplayed her. She fully expected to win. Her stats coming into the match were phenomenal BUT Venus hit a 129 MPH serve. She covered the court extremely well. She was calm and determined. That's the Venus who is just impossible to beat.

Congrats to Venus for her 5th and to both on their doubles title.

Gulp. Pete writes "[i]n fact, it was the highest level of women's tennis I've ever witnessed."

Now, just yesterday, commentators were discussing the nearly flawless performance of Federer, which I didn't see either.

Off to the optician. Clearly my prescription needs checking.

Both women played well today. But both women didn't play well at the same time for most of the match. In both sets, Serena Williams started better, and got an early break. In both sets, her sister's better defensive play, better serving (despite about 30 caught tosses) and Serena's own inability to sustain her opening level allowed Venus to get back into the set, and capture the closing game of the set with a break.

Pete, you've been watching the game as a professional writer for about the same length of time that I've been watching as an amateur, and I never disagree with you lightly. But the highest level of womens tennis you've ever witnessed? I was following the match calls at the Crisis Center, and many folks thought more highly of the match than I did. But I don't think one person said it was the highest quality WTA match they'd ever seen.

Perhaps we all approached the match with "the soft bigotry of low expectations." Finals between the two sisters in the past haven't been classics; recent WTA finals haven't been advertisements for the strength of the women's game. This was an enjoyable match, likely compelling drama if you were a fan of one or other (or even both) players. But highest level stuff? Beg to differ.

BTW, good call on Venus before the match.

this was not a great match, the expectations are so low for these two to have a competitive match if it's just not as bad as usual it's great..c'mon peter you know better...this is after all the same court that recently hosted a truly memorable final between two american women (venus and davenport)...today's match didn't even come close

they should be #1and#2 there is no one out there that is close or that can touch them.just keep kicking their back side. we know who is #1. keep up the great work.

I was waiting to see if Serena would give her sister any more credit than she has given other winning opponents in the past. But it was again about her "playing badly" more than anything else. I like her game and she seems very personable in a lot of the interviews, but she really is a sore loser!

Agree with Andrew -- it was decent as finals go. But the highest level? Gosh, I hope this was not it.

I am elated for Venus. She played extremely well. She actually stepped up her performance when she needed to. She needed to win this title to break the drought (this being her first grand slam for the year.) She also needed to prove to herself that if she sets her to winning she can beat little sister anytime. God continue to bless you Venus, you are a sweet person. All the best in all your future matches.

Being the highest level in general, I would not say but given the windy conditions out there especially in that second set, it really was an excellent match. This is what Oracene had to say:

“Serena thinks everything is supposed to go her way, that’s the bottom line,” said her mother, Oracene Price, who sat in the players’ guest box for both matches. “She thinks that’s the way it’s supposed to go in life. But this is life.

“She’s going to have to learn how to suck things up,” Price added. “Say, ‘OK, I’m not going to win everything. I just got to be, this is going to make me a better person, this will build character for myself and I have to learn how to lose.”’

Highest level. Not highest level. Best. not best. Forget it folks. It was absolutely thrilling, and from some of the posts it seems that some of you didn't even see the game. Peter and Mrs. tennis. You're the best.

The funny thing about this match is if that WRT all the stats Serena did better in all except break point conversion and of course final points and that is what killed her so to a large extent I can understand her frustration. Yes she is a sore loser but today's match is really one of those that she could genuinely look back and think she could have won. It always comes down to being able to play those big moment points and today Venus played those better

Poor Serena. :(
Good article!

"letting the baby of the family rage on and have her way." I can't stop laughing at this because it fits Serena. I've alway found her press conferences hysterical because she is frank, never saying what people want to hear, but saying how she feels. I don't think she should be criticized for just being herself rather than being phony and feeding the press and fans what they want to hear

well the doubles win should make serena feel slightly better, she was even smiling.

Well one could blame Venus for always indulging Serena and making her feel like she can have anything she wants.
I do think more is made about Serena's attitude to losing because of how she appears in interviews. If you ask me, most of these champions are very much selfish and think they should win everything. The difference is, many of them know to check their broodiness at the door, while Serena brings it in with her.

I have just watched the whole match again -- fastforwarding through the breaks and with the sound that I'd muted for 90% of the live match. And I can see why many people, inlcuding me, would describe this as very, very high quality tennis.

If as Andrew seems to want, both players played at exactly the same level for all of the match, every single game would probably be like that 7-deuce, 15-minute(?) game. I've never ever seen a match like that (don't think I'd want to), and I've seen lots of excellent tennis in my time.

One of the main goals of tennis, I thought, is to force your opponent, no matter how good he or she is, to make mistakes or, at least, to put him/her on the defensive and make winners -- the quicker the better, I'd say.

After this, can we finally stop referring to Venus and Serena as one homogenous entity? It is quite clear their characters, approach to the game and perspective on life is different. So if we see one trait in one, we shouldn't apply it to the other as well. The only common trait I'm positive they share is a last name.

Ruth,good point. I don't see how a match of two evenly matched players at the same high level would ever end.

Wow, it's like the Serena-haters were just waiting for that occasion! But people seems to forget something: Venus has defeated Serena many times in their head-to-head, why is this defeat so special as to warrant an in-depth psychological analysis of the dynamics in the Williams family??? And does Pete actually lived with the Williams for a while to know for sure Serena is spoiled and given whatever she wants even in terms of Grand Slams victories or is his analysis (and I'm using that term loosely!) just some theories that he holds about how he THINKS the Williams family works. I thought journalism was about facts and 3/4 of that article was pure conuucture with few meaningful facts peppered in. Serena is always a sore loser, that's not new but to think her (usual) sullen mood was a result of a shift in family dynamics is pure BS!

Are you all nuts? VENUS and SERENA are sisters, not mortal enemies.

They are professional athletes too and have extreme expectations of their games.

Serena of course was sullen! Who wouldn't be? She also struggled to reach the finals and she lost. If she cried, I believe she is entitled to that. In the end, Venus prevailed. Serena, as we saw them in the doubles final, started to accept things. No matter what, these two ladies are still sisters and Venus's greatest trophy given by God is her Sister Serena, and vice versa.

Whatever it is, it is good for tennis fans! Serena will eye getting even with Venus in US Open 2008 and that would be a much better match up! If they can survive up to the finals. BTW, since we love queens, I would say Serena is the Queen of Hard Court. I hope Henin is still around and we have 3 queens fighting against each other. Forget Mauresmo and the wannabees.

Christopher you have me ROTFLMAO - that is not the reaction I expected but at least someone sees the humour that I was trying to portray - just think that we are wasting too many brain cells trying to figure out who is going to win - why not get 2 different finalists and let us see what happens. as we say in Jamaica - cho man too much of one ting good fi nuttin

Congratulations to Venus and Serena and the Williams family!

I am happy for Venus and even happier for Serena - Brad Gilbert is fake - he talked all that smack about Serena winning but who is the better grass court player? After Serena lost he could only comment about the 20 pound earrings and poor foot work - c'mon - she'll come back at the USO. Man, that was good tennis today and I am very proud of both Venus and Serena.

I watched the match and since both are my favorite WTA players, I was in a win-win situation. I'm glad that they both had more "winners" than errors in this match and the quality of play was great. So good job to Venus, especially after the start Serena had!

And the doubles match they played was fantastic! They actually really looked like a "doubles team" instead of 2 single's players out there on court together.

Congratulations to the Williams family! Great job to two sisters!

Awww Serena, she was sooo dissapointed...but anyway I'm really happy the best womens players finally got their game totally together for this Slam...amazing, singles and doubles! I do hope they stay injury free for most part so that we can enjoy this level in atleast a few tournaments and the USO for the rest of the year.

Just want to add TW's Tom Perrotta's assessment of the match to this thread...

"A few words on the quality of this match, ever a subject of interest when the Williams sisters play. Under normal circumstances, I'd give this match an A- (thoroughly entertaining, but three sets would have been better). But the wind changes the grading scale here, so I'll give it an A+. The conditions, again, bordered on terrible. It's incredible that these two players were able to play so aggressively, and with so few errors, under these circumstances. They drilled ball after ball. They served with power and precision. They hit astonishing reflex volleys. It was the Williams sisters at their best and without a doubt my favorite of their many matches."

...and say, Amen to that!

Thanks for that Ruth! It was indeed a great match.

love your articles. good match. but the highest level of womens tennis you've ever witnessed? is it a joke??? can't believe you're serious. crowd was quiet, they didn't play well at the same time. sure, it was noisy and there was a fight but if it's the highest level you've ever seen, women tennis is in trouble.

Not sure if it was the highest level I've ever seen, but those who say it wasn't a really high level match I think are a little bit fooled by the power of the sisters, of course if you put two less powerful players play their best in a final it might seem high level to some with longer rallies and all that, but if you put one of them against a Williams at their best, Williams is gonna win pretty easy. Point being, the sisters hit and serve so hard and accurate that the rallies are shorter as it is much harder to return their shots, and the way Serena and Venus could get rallies going despite that, meant this was a really high level match.

http://thedeftvolleys.blogspot.com/

My thoughts here on it, but here's how I felt if you guys don't feel like reading it:
Serena tried to impose her will like she has done in the past, but the key point the match for me was that 40-30 point in the third game of the first set, when she hit that passing shot right at Venus, only for Venus to volley it right back at her. That was massive indeed.
But i did right it in a more interesting way tho at the blog, haha.

high level, of course. it was a very good match. but the highest level??? they're two wonderful players. but they play the same way, have the same weapons, even if Venus has a better serve and comes more often to the net. it's not a great opposition. there was not enough variety in games. except at the beginning, they did not play well at the same time. good match, not classic. could have been better if Serena did not refuse to replay a point when umpire said the ball was net. She would have replayed the point against anyone else than Venus. It was a little bit strange. I 'm sure both wanted to win badly. there were some fantastic shots. but they had up and downs. and because she loves her sister, I presume Serena refused to replay a very important point. far, very far from highest level. unless highest level means power and grunting. do we have to be extreme all the time when they meet in finals? it's a crap or marvelous. don't agree. today it was good, sometimes very very good. and it was enough to satisfy me. congrats Venus (and Serena).

Craig,

I may have to agree with you . Well, i thought the first 12 games of Venus/Hnein semifinal was tremendous, but once Venus level went down with that case of amnesia or whatever she had, I thought it slightly tailed off. Also, that Henin-Sharapova match at the championships last year was great as well.

I think this will the last Wimbledon or Grand Slam that Venus wins I dont think she will ever live up to Serenas game.

GO SERENA

Agreed, highest or not, I'm glad it was a great competitive match in spite of the conditions (by which I mean the weather, not the sisterhood!). Perhaps it does get easier after all to play your sister...

Ruth: there are a ton of good matches when both players play well. Simply having a good serve and executing well on your service games gives most players the advantage: a returner has to do well to have a chance to break.

Recent ATP matches that have had this character are Federer-Nalbandian MC QF 2008 and Djokovic-Nadal, Queens F 2008. I've watched many fewer WTA matches recently than ATP, but I remember many high quality matches over the years in which this was the case.

I'll always take the view that reasonable people can differ in subjective assessments of a sports match or work of art. Your "outstanding match" could be my "moderate final." A test will be to see how people refer to this match in years to come. There are gold standard matches - Borg-McEnroe Wimbledon 1980, or Evert-Navratilova RG 1985, for example. If in 2020 people are saying "good match, but nothing like the Williams final of 2008," fair play.

Venus-Lindsay in the 2005 Wimby final, and--as CraigC noted--the Justine-Venus 2007 US Open semi, were two matches that exceeded this one.

A Navratilova battle against Evert or Graf would need to be on the short list of best women's tennis encounters ever.

Justine-Capriati in the 2003 US semis would be in the discussion, too.

I agree with Perotta's write-up with the slight caveat that I'd give the actual tennis a B+ and grade the match an A on a curve (wind) scale.

There were too many mediocre volleys and ho-hum passing shot attempts in the match. (Remember, I'm making these comments not on an absolute scale, but in terms of measuring this match against the "best women's tennis ever witnessed" standard. This was a match of considerable quality, without question.) There were sequences of points in which both players were lucky to survive awkward forays to the net. They'd come in off something less than convincing, only for the other to not take advantage of a pass. I'd also say that Serena squandered some of the break points she had (while Venus worked hard to save most of them), and donated the final (championship) game to her older sister.

This was a terrific match.

Best women's tennis ever? That kind of label means that this match was and is and will be unforgettable for the tennis it produced.

Sounds like a topic for a follow-up post on Monday or Tuesday.....

Thanks, Pete, for the insightful and probing piece.

Matt Zemek,
WTA follow up should be on Tuesday or Wednesday as Roger/Rafael will take Sunday/Monday or Sunday/Monday/Tuesday depending on the weather.

I think Sharapova, Ivanovic, and Jankovic will never live up to the William sisters game. I think the William sisters are back and they are ready to dominate the game again.

Definitely a victory for the House of Williams (and U.S. tennis! Venus and Serena are clearly the best U.S. players of this decade)

Kind of felt that Serena Williams' movement, as Mr. Bodo said, was just not up to par for how her movement SHOULD be. When I saw S. Williams play at the US Open in 2002 or in Miami 2003, she moved more like a super athlete. Her movement now looks more human (and less superhuman).

Not much more to say about Venus Williams other than she is the best grass court player since Steffi Graf, and I dont know if Steffi could have handled Venus on the turf. (Graf beat Venus in a quarterfinal in 1999 at Wimbledon)

Serena is a sore loser, but I am not offended by that...She is not accustomed to loosing and I firmly believe that she should NEVER become accustomed to loosing. If anything, her press conference should dispel the belief that the matches are fixed, because I believe that if Richard ever came to her and said "let big sis win" she would probably call a press conference in her front lawn (ala Terrell Owens) and expose the entire family... I believe that she wants to win that badly.

This was the highest level of tennis played between the william
sister, and they usually are at the helm of some of the best tennis played in the women game.

Although, the highest level of tennis I have witnessed, is #1. Lindsey Davenport vs Venus, in the 2005 Wimbledon final, oh yeah,
#2 was 2007Aussie Open Sharapova vs Serena Semi. #3 today.

I agree about Serenas movement...she still moves well, but it is not as fast and bouncy as it was in 2003 and earlier...I dunno why that is, is it because of injuries, or lack of training in the footwork front, or simply age...I think that was one of the big reasons why Venus won, Serena played excellent tennis but she didn't have that movement she had in her prime...I don't know if she will ever get that movement back, but she definitely have to weapons to make up for it as well.

have to = has the...correction in my previous post.

serena's demeanor just shows how competitive she is. when she starts smiling her way through losses, i think THAT would be the time for her to retire. i think it's very hypocritical of us to say that serena is being unreasonable. it's thoroughly unfair to punish players for feeling bad after a loss. we should be entitled to that emotion.

i play tennis with my younger brother (im the eldest), too, and although we are nothing like the williams sisters, the way we take our wins and losses are quite similar. whenever i beat him, he's always fuming. whenever he beats me, i just give him the figurative pat on the back. but ive never seen him as a sore loser. if anything, i admire him more for the desire and competitiveness he shows whenever we play tennis. i think it's like that with most families.

I set my clock for 10 minutes to 7 this morning, but after a long night of reveling with relatives, I hit the snooze alarm two or three times. Finally, at about 7:30A I get up and turn on the tube to the ladies Wimbledon final. They were in the beginning of the second set at 2-1 Venus. The first thing that I noticed was that Serena looked distressed. She did not look confident. I then noticed that Venus had won the first set 7-5. I was not distressed, as I hoped that Serena could push it to three. But she was hitting balls wide, clipping the net, her serve not as formidable as much as in past matches.

As the second set went on, it became clear that something had changed between the sisters. Venus had the mental edge, and was moving like a gazelle while Serena seemed just a step slower, her serve was working, her return was awesome, her ground strokes were superior, just about everything was coming up Venus.

Serena imploded more and more with errors here and there against an opponent who could do little wrong. It's rare that I get that kind of feeling from Serena of being mentally bested, but this time it was clearly happening. Serena's goose was cooked right after she broke Venus, but then got immediately broken back early in the second set. I knew it was over right then by the look of defeat in Serena's face.

Oh, well. Venus is clearly one of the best ever on grass, Martina 9, Steffi 7, Billie Jean 6, and Venus with 5 singles titles. If Venus plays five more years, its possible that she can over take Billie Jean or even Steffi, but I doubt Martina's record will be reached. But never say never. Also, if Venus goes into Wimbledon next year anywhere in the top 10, she damned well better be seeded number 1! She's proven that regardless of her seed, she's the one of her generation ruling the lawns. The Wimbledon seeding should respect that.

Serena had played some good tennis at Miami and after until the clay season, and hopefully she will now impose her greatest during the "road trip" here in the US as we take to hard courts moving into the US Open. Venus may be the master on grass, but give me Serena on hard courts. UNLESS, she gets that look of despair in her eyes again as she did against Venus in that second set. The fight was gone, her edge gone. It was a scary thing to see as a Serena fan.

Serena lost (I've not been this disappointed since Chris Evert took a turn for the worst and lost after initially playing so well against Martina in the 1981 US Open semis), but I'm still hoping for Rafa to win tomorrow. Again, the head says Roger, but the heart definitely says Rafa.

I LOVE THIS ARTICLE.

Serena is going 2 win the US Open!
Serena is going to end the year as no.1.
That girl is very very mad at the moment.
She'll want 2 prove that she is the player 2 beat.

Pete, thanx 4 the article. I really enjoyed it.
Although i am not sure this is the best ladies match i have ever seen, but it was very enjoyable.

PS. Aren't Richard's predictions freakily scary?
He predicted Venus 2 win last year, and people thought he was crazy. We all know how that went........
After the tournament last year, he said that he believed Venus could win Wimby at least 3 or 4 more times.
2 or 3 more Wimby trophies 4 Venus, and he'll be right again......
and at this stage am not bettin against Richard.

Freaky!!!

serena and nole for USO! :)

i think that given the conditions in this match AND the fact that it was played between the two sisters, this match ranked up there in overall quality. blustery wind, family dynamics, and upped levels of tennis --- these two girls were simply fun to watch yesterday.

happy for the williams family, really ,and especially for venus, twice the winner! such a gracious, witty, serene winner.

if i am to draw comfort from what pete said, that the relentless defense of venus put pressure on serena's relentless shotmaking, it is that rafa is a great defender and roger a shotmaker......

vamos! :)

Hold on folks - I never wrote or meant to imply that this was the greatest or "highest quality" match I've ever seen -there's a huge difference between a great match and a display of high level tennis - some of the highest-level tennis often prevents a match from becoming great as was the case here. One of my all-time favorite matches was the Lindsay-Venus final, probably best women's match I've seen since the Steffi vs. Monica days.

But the quality of the ball striking, the shot selection, decision making, and pure power we saw from the Williams sisters yesterday took the women's game to a whole new level - one that's hard to imagine anyone approaching, and one where it's never been, not even during the Nav-seles-graf eras.

There is nobody in the women's game capable of playing a game as powerful, athletic, versatile and compelling as the sisters. I mean, just look at how they volley. Or even how willing they are to drill passing shots at each other's tummies, and taking it all as if that's how the game is supposed to be played.

I'm not being real articulate here, but to me the way the girls played yesterday, despite the lack of drama and shifts of momentum, took women's tennis to places it has never been before - and may not go again.

Pete: I'm not sure I quite understand your last post. It seems to me an exercise in having your cake and eating it too. (which is fine if you can get away with it) However,for just this once,I think that maybe you bit off a piece of that cake that was too big to chew and swallow while still maintaining the illusion that it was on your plate.

A match that takes women's tennis places that it has never been before is not,in your opinion,a high quality match?

Why? Was the place that it took women's tennis unworthy? mundane? sordid? commonplace' Disneyland?

I probably shouldn't even be posting. I hardly watched the match and I always come to the Williams sisters' final with a lot of baggage that has little to do with tennis. But I couldn't help wondering about this post of yours.

Boths the Williams' girls have played extraordinarily.
You wrote a great post Pete. Enjoyed reading it. However, I don't think its right to pull family issues into their playing styles against easch other. SOmetiems these can get a bit personal.
Thanks

temes - 2:44 AM post:
Serena's movement is not as good as it was in the past because she is heavier than she was in the past. I know the commentators and faithful bloggers are talking about how fit Serena is, but if you go back and look at matches from 2003 and earlier you will see that Serena is carrying more weight now. These extra pounds affect her movement. Every part of Serena's body is bigger now than it was then.
You can look at her abdominal area and see that it is not as tight as it was before she started putting on all that weight. Like a dancer, an athlete's strength comes from his or her "center" which is why tight abdominal muscles in addition to conditioning and strength in arms and legs are so important. Venus tends to remain slim and tight, but even Venus is a bit thicker at this year's Wimbledon than last year when she was tight as a drum. But Venus has the better movement because she is in better shape.

Hopefully Serena's work outs will intensify and her diet will improve so that she can drop a few pounds and get that movement back. I would love to see both sisters rise to the top again and live out their potential for excellence. And Andre Agassi proved for all of us that prime is a state of mind - not body. Look how long he was able to play because he stayed in shape and took care of his body. Then again it all goes back to making the connection between priorities and choosing the correct paths necessary to maintain them. Serena can't have her cake and eat it too.

Well, Pete, you may have to help some of us out with the distinction between high quality and high level. If I were trying to define a high quality match, I'd say both players played most of the match at a high level at the same time.

One thing I may not have been able to convey is a sense of near despair that what ought to be regarded as ordinary is now, in 2008, seen as extraordinary for the WTA. Another writer who says this very well is Nick Pitt of the London Times

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/tennis/article4276543.ece

Pete writes "There is nobody in the women's game capable of playing a game as powerful, athletic, versatile and compelling as the sisters. I mean, just look at how they volley. Or even how willing they are to drill passing shots at each other's tummies, and taking it all as if that's how the game is supposed to be played."

Um, yes. That is how the game is supposed to be played, and it shouldn't be remarkable. Oh, look, a volley! Gosh, what will those girls come up with next?

I am desperately trying not to come across as sarcastic or snarky here, because I mean it in entirely the opposite way. I expect women priests, government leaders, CEOs, airline pilots and whatever else to be routinely competent at what they do. There are some subtle shadings, some to do with physical strength, and some (much more subtle) to do with things like articulacy and group affinities (much of that is a subject for another discussion board).

So I expect the Wimbledon, RG or US Open finalists, as a matter of routine, to be versatile, good shot makers, to own all the strokes, to be able to serve much of the time out of a crisis, to come into a match with a gameplan and so on.

Yet when I listen to commentary (mostly US based) on the WTA game, someone will say after six or seven games "you can see she's come out today really focussed/with a real game plan/ready to make her shots!" as if this were a compliment, and it isn't, it's really an insult. Can you imagine someone saying of Novak Djokovic or Rafael Nadal "He's come out today with a real game plan!"

Well, seems like we're getting ready for play at Wimbledon, so enough for now. But it seems I'm still in a different place to Pete, unfortunately.

Really enjoyed this one Pete. The match was very entertaining, and I was so impressed that Venus just stayed so focused, despite the wind and Serena's conversations with herself.

As for Serena's interview, the bit I saw just made me think that she was in a sulk of major proportions. MJF made me laugh when she said something like... 'hey, serena wants to be an actress, she should suck it up and act'.

Also reminded me how difficult it must be for the any of the players to go through the press gauntlet after a tough loss. Seeing how much Serena wanted this, and how angry she was she lost, I get the feeling she'll be playing for a while. What struck me about justine's retirement was when she admitted she wasn't upset about losing. So seeing this made me hopeful we'll be seeing Serena (and Venus) for a while!

And very nice to end with that picture of them with the doubles trophy, they look happy again, great smiles on both of them.

Andrew: My criticism of your opinion was narrowly focussed on your comment that "both women didn't play well at the same time for most of the match" as if that were some criterion for greatness. Players in a great match should TRY to play their best at all times, but it is, as I said, the job of their opponents, to force them into playing not as well or, at least, not being as successful in winning when playing their best.

Let me add that I also find your use of that Bush phrase about the "bigotry of low expectations" rather inappropriate here, especially when you use the phrase, " we all." Neither Pete nor I nor many other posters here exhibit the sometimes fashionable habit of having low opinions and expectations (including making degrading comments) about the women's game. Others here at TW do -- and they know who they are -- but please do not be so presumptuous as to suggest that ALL of us do.

hi pete.

this article is great. thanks. don't mind your critics, they just wanna make you look bad/dumb, which you are not. and which only makes them look bad/conceited.

a little respect people.

Pete: I forgot to thank you and congratulate you on your ESPN piece, "Three Reasons Why Venus Will Win." To be honest, I was so focussed on my "heart" reasons why I WANTED Venus to win that I needed to read something like your post which directed me to focus on the "head" reasons why she COULD and SHOULD actually win. Your post laid those reasons out in excellent fashion.

Ruth, tell you what. Let's see how posters stack up the two singles finals. My sense, FWIW, is that you seem determined to have an argument with me - I was saying we should NOT, repeat NOT, expect less from the womens game than the mens.

I have neither a low opinion nor low expectations of the womens game. Quite the contrary, which is why I'm so disappointed that, in my opinion (yours and others may differ) in the last five years the quality of play and matches has been often indifferent.

Pete, I think you're getting a little carried away: I'm not sure they really took things to a 'new level', just reached the apogee of their own brand of power hitting. I think it's telling that the first time they play in a grand slam final for five years dovetails very neatly with the retirement of a certain Belgian divorcee...

svelterogue 07/06/2008 @ 6:53 AM

serena and nole for USO! :)

Svelte,

I'm with you! Serena and Nole - US Open champs 08. Hopefully, what happened during Wimbledon for both players will pump them up to push forward on the summer "road trip" culminating in bringing home the US Open titles.

If not Serena and Nole, even though every one has written Rafa off on hard courts, I hope that he proves to be an all surface chanp. No one surely has more mental confidence than Rafa right now.

On the women's side, outside of Serena, I hope that Jelena can play one GS without suffering an injury!!!!! I personally feel that Jelena can compete with anyone -- even with her serve not being as mighty as it could or should be -- if she remains physically fit. I'm not one of those who thinks she cries wolf falsely about her injuries. I believe she's just had some bad luck starting before the AO this year. Some thought it because she put too much stress on her body last year by playing to much. Whatever, I hope she can come into the US Open healthy.

Whoever wins, I want to see Shrieky denied! No offense to her fans, she's just a player I love to hate. She annoys me with that shriek! ;)!
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Mrs Tennis wrote: 07/06/2008 @ 8:28 AM

Serena's movement is not as good as it was in the past because she is heavier than she was in the past. I know the commentators and faithful bloggers are talking about how fit Serena is, but if you go back and look at matches from 2003 and earlier you will see that Serena is carrying more weight now. These extra pounds affect her movement.
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Thank you Mrs Tennis for having the guts to write this TRUTH! On some sites, if you wrote this, certain nuts on the net might send a hit man to your door. I feel that Serena's saving grace has been her serve, and her mental toughness, but some of the other players have caught up with her ground game because she's not as fast nor moving as well as before. I write this as a fan of Serena's, not a hater.

It was a great match. I was cheering on both but much more in favour of Venus winning.
In world news, Rafa Nadal :: Wimbledon Champion. That's it. Check. Goal in life. Done. Woooooooooooooooooohoooooooooooooooooooooo.

Andrew: Sorry, I am not interested in arguing with you, and, in any case, I never argue about FACTS. The fact is that you wrote the following sentence: Perhaps we all approached the match with "the soft bigotry of low expectations."

And I stated that you were wrong to suggest that we ALL "approached the match with 'the soft bigotry of low expectations'" because we ALL did not. Your statement would be true only if the posts and comments on this site indicated that ALL of us had/have low expectations of the match or of women's tennis in general.

That's pretty (factually) straightforward and in no way argumentative IMHO.

I am so very proud of the Williams sister. I love those girls.

You make me proud, just think how many slams they could win if

they were not so gifted in some many areas and tennis was there

only thing. If it were so LOOK OUT, LOOK OUT, TENNIS WORLD

It was the match I longed for and I got! What a wonderful treat! I am just enjoying every minute of Venus and Serena because I remember what the sport was like without them.

Mrs Tennis,

Your comment: "Serena is a gifted player, yes, but great? I define greatness by the aura of a rare combination of humanity and divine that descends on a person who knows that he or she has something that very few others have yet can remain firmly rooted in the realization that this something sets them apart from but not superior to us mere mortals. Serena has yet to trancend to that rarified atmosphere, and I personally find her current demeanor extremely unattractive."

Serena has won 8 singles Grands Slams, has won a slam on every surface (which only a couple of other players in history have been able to do).

J-Mac won 7 slams (and did not win on every surface), was a absolute jerk on the court, and even he is considered great.

Whether you like her demeanor or not, Serena IS a GREAT player.


Ruth: as a kindness to me, please check this link.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/perhaps

Thanks.

As a kindness to you, Andrew, I'll skip opening your link since it is, PERHAPS, just a vain (and insulting) attempt on your part to justify your inaccurate statement. Like that? Let's just drop it now, OK?

Ruth: Good point there.

Andrew: Perceptions always differ. You see what you want to see. Even experiments in psychology would tell you that.

Ruth: Good point there.

Andrew: Perceptions always differ. You see what you want to see. Even experiments in psychology would tell you that.

Ren: sometimes you don't see what's really and truly there - see for example, the famous basketball/gorilla experiment

http://conflictzen.com/dont-miss-the-gorilla/

When you're focussed on seeing one thing, understanding that something else is in front of your eyes can trip people up.

Pete says:

There is nobody in the women's game capable of playing a game as powerful, athletic, versatile and compelling as the sisters. I mean, just look at how they volley. Or even how willing they are to drill passing shots at each other's tummies, and taking it all as if that's how the game is supposed to be played."

I think our Pete has been OD'ing on the koolaid. Yes they are really powerful and really athletic, probably the most powerful, but Justine was more versatile and so is Amelie Mauresmo, and Kim Clijsters and Justine and some others are probably more agile and athletic in a way than both. I know Justine is more agile and versatile than Serena for sure and Venus is not that versatile.

Andrew: I am a psychologist and what you pointed out is exactly my point. Perception is a double edged sword. One thing is you cannot argue based on YOUR perceptions alone. Ruth was giving you a logical explanation but to no avail. She was arguing on your wrong premise: "ALL...whatever," and thus misleading if not totally wrong conclusions.

Ren: fair enough.

But if I remark "perhaps it will rain today," should I be put in the pillory if it doesn't rain?

If I make a hypothesis "perhaps the reason that there's trouble down at t'mill is that one old flayrod's gone out of skew on t'treddle," does a later diagnosis that the wurzle gummed up the gibbets mean that I'm a chortlehead for making the suggestion?

In my book, the use of the word "perhaps" explicitly makes the following clause tentative: someone can say "nope, not the case," and it's all good.

Well, enough of this semantic autopsy.

I argue from my own perceptions, true dat. I hope I never fall into the trap of considering my perceptions revealed truth. Instead, in my 5:17pm post yesterday, I wrote explicitly "in my opinion (yours and others may differ)."

In my opinion, the final played today was at a consistently higher level than the match yesterday. A scan of media reports suggests others thought it quite a good match. And Simon Barnes, writing in the London Times, says

"Rare, rare times: when two great players both play their best at the same time. At this ineffable level of sport, it’s time to pack away the superlatives and just give thanks for bloody sport; for these daft games we watch that produce such extraordinary things and bring us such extraordinary people."

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/tennis/article4282473.ece

Which was, come to think of it, the initial point I was trying to make when I responded to Pete. Not sure if that's great minds thinking alike, or fools seldom differing. Your call.

Andrew: Many of your points are well taken, and I think they are well meant, too. Of course, you should not be damned for things that you have strong opinions about, that is your right. But I suppose it is not also an excuse for being unreasonable and illogical ( and I just mean this as purely based on that "ALL" statement of yours).

Great minds argue a lot, and as I said in my posts in another thread, scientific thinking has a unique character: self-correction. In the face of new findings, alternative hypotheses are tested. Charles Pierce said it:"There are real things whose characters are entirely independent of our opinions about them." Thus, while we hold dear our opinions, we can also keep an open mind about others whose ideas are verifiable, yet they do not become the be-all-end-all of things.

Even science must be approached with the principle of uncertainty. If great minds think alike, and fools seldom differ, then there's no difference between the fool and the genius. It would be a world of mediocrity.

The result of wanting burns in the hearts of winners.Death has nothing to do with losing,unless someone thinks that Federer will chose to rest in peace.Tennis is a game ,the outcome of any game ( losers and winners).Both Federer and Nadal could not win the same trophy but they shared in the making.Quebec,Canada

This is to Venus, I know she is one of the best tennis players of all times. But don't forget to preach to those lose sheep. And I understand about been an older sister and taken care of the one behind you and that is true dedication, but always have more dedication to JHWH. The True God, Jehovah. Good games!

Someone please stick a tennis ball in Serena's mouth so we dont have to hear her NOT give credit to anyone, not even her sister. You could have taken a tape of her press conferences from her losses at the French Open/Wimbledon/US Open last year and just played it again after falling to Venus. It's always about how poorly she played, never how well her opponent has played, and even when she does make some vague reference to her foe playing well, she says it with an off handed manner, as if she were throwing a stray dog a bone.

I am a competitive tennis player and expect myslef to go out and give my best performance every time I step on the court. That is only natural, given that fact that it is a competitive sport, one where you are laying your ego on the line every time you play. Serena needs to understand that she is the hunted, not the hunter, despite her not being the top ranked played, and that other players get themselves up for a big mmatch against her. Did she not feel the same way when she was a teenager, playing the top names in the sport?? It's kind of like what was good for the goose back then, is now NOT good for the gander.

Lets face it, Serena is not getting any younger and there are other players on the way up. The wheel is turning. As some of the great Hall of Fame champions (Evert/Navratilova/King/Graf, et. al.) have said, there comes a time when you have to simply enjoy the process itself and not worry about the results. She still has a few more good years left in her, so why not make the most of them?

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