I guess that Argentina did not deserve to win the Cup now, I agree with Pete that things happen for a reason, and that the outcome has logical explanations and mistakes that led to it.
Argentina had to wait from 1930 until 1978 when they organized a world cup at home to win the world cup, even though the had more talented players than Uruguay that won it as early as in 1930. But it was in 1986 when they first won it unquestionably, because rumours says that in 1978 some matches were arranged for that outcome.
Spain had to wait until 2008 to win the Eurocup ...
When there is talent and good work the results sooner or later arrive.
I agree that we lost a good chance to win it, what I think is horrible for the players, the teamm, and the argentine press and public is this gossip center that was built since the defeat became a possibility.
Posted by tina
11/26/2008 at 10:31 AM
Well, I've missed a lot of drama on here while I took a two-day sabbatical.
I wouldn't be me, or at least the TW "me", if I didn't point out how formidable an opponent Serbia will be for Spain. Someone well above mentioned Tipsarevic as the 2 player behind, of course, Djokovic. Don't forget Zimonjic in the doubles! Viktor Troicki as a back-up isn't chopped liver, either.
Either FeLo or Nalby was going to emerge as the "Ljubicic" of this final - the stalwart who contributed all season long. And Fernando got to be the SuperMario, as the Cup was won on his racket.
Jose Luis Clerc - wow. Somehow my best friend and I ended up in the locker room at Longwood in the 70s, and though we were only 14, Clerc and Victor Pecci shamelessly flirted with us. Indeed, they were the trouble-makers who brought us into the locker room. Alas, Vilas wasn't playing at Longwood that year. But we didn't stop giggling for days....
Posted by Vie
11/26/2008 at 10:41 AM
linex, some positives from this loss (hehe):
for Nalby - good thing it was not in Cordoba
for delPo - good he went to TMC
for Mancini - haze in the gossip centers
They'll win DC yet.
11/26/2008 at 10:47 AM
Bottom line: Argentina had only one good player (Nalbandian). Spain had three (Ferrer, Lopez and Verdasco), from whom it used the best two on that weekend (Lopez and Verdasco) to win the tie. Argentina, a one-man show, was doomed the moment Del Potro showed up out of shape.
Posted by linex
11/26/2008 at 10:47 AM
In fuebuena.com.ar many have the view that Mancini lack character and that someone had to step up to make decisions. That Martin Jaite (Nalbandinan´s coach) was even available during Juanma´s match giving directions to help Luli to help Juanma win.
That everyone realized beforehand when seeing that Juan did not play his matches in China totally fit that there was a risk that he could only play one match. That David warned Mancini about this.
That David even thought in withdrawing from the Paris Final because he had an injury in his foot and was afraid to risk his body for Davis Cup. That Jaite told him "until when will you sacrifice your career for Davis cup, just play this final and worry about your ranking points as others do".
11/26/2008 at 11:42 AM
"Faulting Nalbandian for not being able to pull off a very improbably upset is utterly ridiculous."
It wasn't an improbable upset - the argentines were two points away from taking a 2-1 sets lead, but nalbandian choked in the third set tiebreaker. the spaniards got a huge gift.
Posted by matheo
11/26/2008 at 11:43 AM
Nalbandian is not a blame as is no one. Like spain won as a team argentina also lost like one.
Posted by Sher
11/26/2008 at 12:27 PM
Nancy, I understand. I disagree with any statement that puts the entire Davis Cup failure at the feet of Nalbandian. His portion is just slightly bigger than most except the captain of the team, because of his status and visibility. I guess the blame game was not what I perceived to be the argument in the post in the first place. I was looking at it more as a "what could they all improve on, next time" exercise. I am betting you if this was Roger we were discussing I would have the same reaction as you though.
Posted by † Hallelujah
11/26/2008 at 01:03 PM
Argentina's loss is Peter Bodo's fault. We're dealing in intangibles here, but bare with me.
Peter was sending so much bad karma in Nalbandian's direction, even though Nalbie was able to fend off Peter's Astral Assaults, they were inadvertently deflected onto his less psychically endowed teammates - who succumbed under Peter's relentless Karmic pressure.
Nalbandian was definitely not single-handidly responsible for Argentina's defeat, but he is definitely not innocent. He can play brilliant tennis, that just wasn't it. But they did lose as a team and for anyone to stick the blame on Nalbandian is ridiculous.
Posted by Aussie Angel (Willy please play better in 2009 so you can get back on the DC team)
11/27/2008 at 02:34 AM
Nancy - I agree with your post except for the part about a team having an inspirational leader. For that part I do not agree. Every great team has a leader who they can turn too apart from their captain.
If you follow team sports there is a captain who when they are on the field, guides, encourages and supoorts them when it is needed. To say that Marcini is the captain and should do all this is not fair. Players look to other players for what I have just mentioned.