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Your Call, 2.10 02/10/2009 - 1:17 PM

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by Pete Bodo

Hey, how about that call on the USA squeezing out a Fed Cup win? You know, it was hardly on the media radar, and in the grand scheme of tennis things, it probably isn't destined to be what they call a "historic moment" when compared to, oh, Spain's upset of Argentina in the 2008 Davis Cup final, but I guarantee you this: these American girls who turned back Argentina over the weekend are ecstatic, and none more so than Melanie Oudin. After all, she provided WTA staple Gisela Dulko with some pretty firm opposition in the first match, only to lose. Then, in her second match, she endured a 2-6 nightmare of an opening set only to claw her way back into the match and win in three. The comeback win ensured that the tie would go the distance, decided by the final match - the doubles.

Pause a moment to appreciate this: Jill Craybas got the USA off to a good start by hammering Jozami, two-and-one. Oudin then had to play Dulko, with pretty much nothing to lose. Dulko is no. 44 in the world; Oudin no 147. Dulko was playing an underdog to try to keep Argentina's chances alive in the tie, while Oudin could swing from the heels, knowing the USA had a match in hand. If it was a high-stress situation, but only for Dulko. But within 24 hours, it was a different story indeed.

Dulko handled Craybas with ease in the third singles of the tie, so Oudin had to meet Jozami with the US on the brink of elimination. Okay, on paper Jozami had to be the nominal favorite; after all, at no. 134, she was ranked 13 places above Oudin. But the reality on the ground was that Oudin was looking at a winnable match, against an equal, with her team's survival on the line.

The funny thing about "pressure" is that it's something felt equally by all players. The degree of pressure that a David Nalbandian faces upon meeting a Fernando Verdasco, or Nikolay Davydenko encounters when he squares off against James Blake, is no different in intensity or substance than what Oudin must have felt before playing Jozami. You don't feel less or more pressure depending on your status, unless it's notably higher or lower than that of your opponent, or some extraneous factor comes into play. And let's face it, one of the reasons top players are ranked where they are is because of their superior ability to handle pressure - not because there is any more or less of it. Pressure is all about the conditions, and the degree of pressure is created by a potentially volatile mixture of temperament, the match-up, and whatever vibe is in play - in this case, the whole cluster of issues that arise from an international, team competition.

And on that playing field, it's pretty easy to forget that when it comes to any competitive athlete, there's a point where it doesn't matter who is - or isn't - watching. It isn't about the hype, and it isn't about the press. It isn't about the endorsements, and it's not about size of the trophy. It's about you, the team, (vaguely) the nation you represent and, in a small way, about the record books. You go into the books as someone who pulled your team and nation through a tough but winnable tie, and it's. . . sweet. Oh, so sweet! And at some level that we fans and pundits easily ignore because we're so focused on Roger and Wimbledon, Serena and the Masters Series, Rafa and the Davis Cup final, this matters in a way we can understand, but rarely sit back and appreciate.

But this, in a nutshell, is also why people like Melanie Oudin (and Betina Jozami, for surely there will come a time when the shoe is on the other foot) continue to play this game, despite triple-digit rankings, and it's the moments like these when the differences between them and Serena and Ana and Maria are, well, irrelevant. The truth of the matter is that a Wimbledon final is played a few thousand times each year on the tour, on clay, indoors or out, by individuals destined never to decorate the cover of Tennis magazine. Every once in a while, conditions congeal to create a special moment of importance - a break from but also a payoff for all those hours of frustration, tedium, matches whose significance, win or lose, is pretty hard for anyone - including the person experiencing it - to fathom.

But there's also this: Players exist to be found by moments like the one that located Oudin on Sunday, and such moments will enable them to look back on their careers one day and allow them to feel satisfied, to say something like: Yeah, it was tough, I always felt the blow of a setback like a slap in the face, and I know the sting of defeat. But it was worth every hour and ounce of effort I put into it.

So let's share Melanie's moment here, and also acknowledge first-time Fed Cupper, Julie Ditty, who joined with reliable Liezel Huber to clinch the match with a fine performance against Dulko and Jozami in the doubles. Happy 30th birthday, Julie! Here's to hoping it was, indeed, worth the wait.

Any further questions on this, just address them to the ultimate Fed Cup warrior, Flavia Pennetta. But she's a story for a different time. Enjoy the tennis, everyone. I am working on a red-meat coaching post, which I may or may not get done today. Stay tuned, enjoy the tennis and leave your always insightful comments below.


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Posted by Bismarck 02/11/2009 at 12:13 AM

sounds like you had bushles of fun, gh.

nishikori has to do well this week or else he´ll fall down hard in the rankings. his delray beach W points drop off on monday.

Posted by greenhopper 02/11/2009 at 12:14 AM

Yeah, well, he plays Potro (most likely) next.
Project 45 might have to wait a little longer.

Posted by Bismarck 02/11/2009 at 12:19 AM

ecxluding injuries he still has like 15 years in front of him in which he can fulfill this project 45 thingy.

c´mon rusty, break him now.

Posted by Sherlock 02/11/2009 at 12:19 AM

Did doubles ever do that well in non-slam events? I know it was more popular back in the day, but even then, it seems like the slams were the only time it got any publicity.

Posted by Sherlock 02/11/2009 at 12:20 AM

Freakin' typepad.

*off to look at previous page to see what I missed*

Posted by Pspace 02/11/2009 at 12:21 AM

Nishikori has some chances against Del Potro, no? Ok...he lost in straights in the USO, but JMDP might have a confidence dip after Feddy? Go K!

Posted by Pspace 02/11/2009 at 12:24 AM

Jeez, now they use Fed as a symbol of the bad economy?

"""
Like Swiss tennis star Roger Federer, the country's stocks have lost a step lately. But a comeback is in the offing.
"""

Rest of the article is finance stuff...so, I'm not gonna bother to tinyurl it.

Posted by greenhopper 02/11/2009 at 12:24 AM

Rohan Bopanna and Jarkko Nieminen. There's two people I never thought I'll see.
Does Sharkko not have any clothing sponsors? He wore plain whites, and his sleeves had a Nokia label across them.

Bopanna was pretty impressive. He has a nice looking 1hbh and hits steady volleys. His service games were generally smooth. A popular Indian coach, who's also a former tennis player (Nirupama Vaidyanathan) came to watch him play, and they had a few words after the match.

Bobby Reynolds gets mad easily, and with good reason, his serve sucks basically. His frequent yells amused the ball kids also.

Posted by greenhopper 02/11/2009 at 12:25 AM

Bismarck, thanks for being such a charming encourager.
eff you.

Posted by Pspace 02/11/2009 at 12:27 AM

'hopper, "Nirupama Vaidyanathan", really? She coaches now? I played against her in the under 16s back in the day, she used to play on the guys side. Same hometown. I think she's about 5-6 yrs older than me...beat the crap outta me, needless to say.

Posted by Bismarck 02/11/2009 at 12:27 AM

geez and jcf is out of the top 100 too i see.

are they opinionated about not any longer being introduced as *world´s number 1* to the courts? jajaja.

yeah, i try to be funny in those dire times for jcf and rusty.
but my true face is a frown of sadness.

two set points gone for rusty. the fish holds in a hundred deuce game. but rusty holds in 3 seconds. how about a break *now*?

Posted by crazyone 02/11/2009 at 12:29 AM

I find it a strange dubs pairing (they've been playing together all year). But good to see it works somewhat.


Posted by greenhopper 02/11/2009 at 12:30 AM

Pspace, you player under 16? Dude!
Yeah, she's like totally in demand around here.
She was forced to retire early due to some injury. Her brother is a coach too, but mainly under 10.

Posted by Sherlock 02/11/2009 at 12:32 AM

"are they opinionated about not any longer being introduced as *world´s number 1* to the courts?"

LOL. Brilliant, Biz. :)

Posted by Pspace 02/11/2009 at 12:34 AM

'hopper, yeah, there were a bunch of really good players from South India when I was growing up. One guy (Manoj Raghavan) went on to become India No. 1 some time after Leander moved out. Good times. They used to play on the same courts as me, so I got to know a bunch of them. It's very sad that none of them made it in the ATP...no good coaches.

Posted by Bismarck 02/11/2009 at 12:34 AM

´hopper,
i tried to paint the positives out of nishikori´s situation.
like even *if* he falls 40 spots in the rankings next week he still is so young that he has many more chances to reach the top 45 in the world.
i thought nishikori fans would give me standing ovations for that considerate perspective i offered.
but seems like more often than not kindness earns you nothing but an eff you in this (T)world.

rusty is one of the world´s worst TB players. please miracle, come and save this set for him.

Posted by crazyone 02/11/2009 at 12:36 AM

on cue Hewitt gives away the minibreak with a double fault (probably a footfault).


Posted by Bismarck 02/11/2009 at 12:39 AM

eff you, miracle.

Posted by Sherlock 02/11/2009 at 12:39 AM

Dang it, Lleyton.

Posted by greenhopper 02/11/2009 at 12:42 AM

Good stuff, Pspace.
Hopefully Yuki survives the hype and makes some noise.

Fish might be on a streak here. But NO excuse for losing to him, Lleyton. Nothing whatsoever.

Posted by izidane 02/11/2009 at 12:42 AM

Aw Lleyton...dfault on in a TB and a lost set.

Okay, whacky typepad + whacky connection= me, done for the day.
Enjoy everyone.

Posted by Pspace 02/11/2009 at 12:44 AM

'hopper, yeah. He trains at NBTA, right? So, he should be ok...but Leander also won at the junior level (Wimby, right?), but couldn't make the top 30. At least Yuki is tall(er)...so there's some hope that he can make the jump.

Posted by greenhopper 02/11/2009 at 12:46 AM

US Open, Pspace. Between, him, Sania and Yuki, we only need a junior French open champ to cover the Indian grand slam now. :)

Posted by Pspace 02/11/2009 at 12:49 AM

'hopper, lol! No one has won the junior French? That's surprising...given the number of clay courts and Hawaiian forehands that we produce ;-). That seems like a more realistic hope. Yuki for RG!

Posted by Bismarck 02/11/2009 at 12:52 AM

why are bec n´ lleyts considering a move to the US?
0/10 BPs now. *depressed face*

Posted by greenhopper 02/11/2009 at 12:54 AM

This match is supposed to be on a local cable network. But with my basic cable connection, I don't get it. grrr.

Posted by greenhopper 02/11/2009 at 12:58 AM

There's a twins against twins match after this one. How often does that happen?

I saw all 4 of them in the practice court earlier today.

Posted by Sherlock 02/11/2009 at 01:06 AM

Fish back up a break. Grrrr.

Posted by aussiemarg [Madame President in Comma Rehab for 2009] 02/11/2009 at 01:15 AM

Hi guys I am not at all happy with this new INSANE thing going on takes me hours just to catch up no? ok whose brain wave idea whas this in the first place? let me guess a MAN? us females would certainly come up with something more proficent? hey Girls,of course we werent asked at all.Gee I stay away for a week or so and the whole TW falls apart,My Peter Bodo New Age Man please I am not a Happy Camper at all!

Posted by Bismarck 02/11/2009 at 01:16 AM

oh well. fish fries himself some rusty.
if only lleyts knew how to win TBs. meh.

Posted by Bismarck 02/11/2009 at 01:18 AM

hi aussiemarg!
and gooobye. time to hit the hay for me.

Posted by aussiemarg [Madame President in Comma Rehab for 2009] 02/11/2009 at 01:23 AM

Bissey Long time no hear or see? you of course are a New Age Sensetive Guy you would of course see my point of view? happy sleeping!

Posted by aussiemarg [Madame President in Comma Rehab for 2009] 02/11/2009 at 01:26 AM

I see The Little Aussie Battler is thinking of setting up shop o/seas well a bit late if you ask me,should have done that ages ago no?

The Brat aka Bernard Tomic is also moving to Europe to be based.
Read in the newspaper on the weekned that got beat well only threw his racquet on the ground this time.Didnt decide to walk off the court!

Posted by mina 02/11/2009 at 01:28 AM

hey AM! have u got links to this Llyton/ Fish thing?

Posted by aussiemarg [Madame President in Comma Rehab for 2009] 02/11/2009 at 01:34 AM

Mina hi no I have not just got back to Sydney? have you arrived yet? turned cold hasnt it?

Posted by mina 02/11/2009 at 01:39 AM

AM, got here last thursday... sooo hot then, turned on a dime just this monday!i'm cold all day! LOL, well... thank you for the warm welcome anyways, Oz!

Posted by aussiemarg [Madame President in Comma Rehab for 2009] 02/11/2009 at 01:40 AM

Mina does Rafa play tonight havent seen his schedule for Rotterdam only Day 1 results in the paper?

Posted by mina 02/11/2009 at 01:51 AM

yes tonight 7:30pm in rotterdam, thursday 5:30 am Oz time. if i'm not mistaken...

Posted by aussiemarg [Madame President in Comma Rehab for 2009] 02/11/2009 at 01:53 AM

Mina Do you know who he is playing?

Posted by mina 02/11/2009 at 01:54 AM

bolleli i think... wait, i have to fact check...

Posted by mina 02/11/2009 at 01:57 AM

yep, Goth Bols indeed... in other news, Ferru play Youzhny next... that's gonna be, erm, 'colorful'...

Posted by jewell - Make tea, not war 02/11/2009 at 01:59 AM

Hey everyone.

*makes tea*

"Seriously, tho'. I mean everyone who gets a Wimby from here on out knows that the trophy has been bitten, ew. I guess it's not much worse than kissing it...maybe a little."

aw...it was adorably cute. :) I like his anarchic approach to that particular trophy.

Posted by jewell - Make tea, not war 02/11/2009 at 02:01 AM

Hey aussiemarg! Glad to see you back, how's things?

Posted by mina 02/11/2009 at 02:02 AM

hi jewell, who said that? i gotta admit 'tis funny. not much diff fr getting the balls used in his matches, then realizing the de-wedging that went on in that match... LOL

Posted by jewell - Make tea, not war 02/11/2009 at 02:06 AM

of course it's funny, it's Pspace. :)

I was giggling because I remember many comments in the Times at the time, talking about how crass it was that someone could actually be so bold as to bite the Wimbledon Trophy. *shock, horror*

Posted by jewell - Make tea, not war 02/11/2009 at 02:07 AM

not that Pspace was saying that.

Wake-up fail.

Posted by mina 02/11/2009 at 02:08 AM

jewell, those guys had it coming! LOL its not like they've never seen him do that, to well, prolly all his trophies... i have no idea when the last time was that he didnt. :)

Posted by mina 02/11/2009 at 02:11 AM

polevault fail was the worst!

read something abt dani hantuchova and some married footballer... know of it? i dont know if its old news or not... its not on C Note's blog yet...

Posted by jewell - Make tea, not war 02/11/2009 at 02:12 AM

Maybe it wasn't the Times, maybe it was the Telegraph. *laughs* Memory Fail!

But, yeah. :) I like the way he does that.

Posted by Rosangel 02/11/2009 at 02:14 AM

Into the Rafa vs. Fed credentials discussion, I'd like to throw the fact that Rafa's career match-winning percentage is currently 81.5%, to Fed's 80.6%. Rafa's percentage being based on 422 matches to Fed's 777.

These percentages are pretty close, of course, but in the rarefied air occupied by multiple GS champions, not irrelevant. Borg compiled a 576–124 win–loss singles record, winning 82.3% of the matches he played. By comparison, Jimmy Connors won 82% percent, Ivan Lendl won 81.8%, John McEnroe won 81.7%, Pete Sampras won 77.4% and Andre Agassi won 76%.

Connors' record is incredible given the length of his career.

I'd also throw in Rafa's 11-3 record over five-set matches, to Fed's 13-13 record.

Rafa is now 87-14 in Slam matches played, or 86.1%. He's won 30% of the Slams he's played in so far.

Federer is 168-26 in Slam matches played, or 86.6%. He's won 33.3% of the Slams he's played in so far.

Historically speaking, only Bjorn Borg's percentages in these departments were better than either of the two - not an entirely fair comparison, of course, as Borg's career is over, and these two are still careers in progress.

Posted by jewell - Make tea, not war 02/11/2009 at 02:14 AM

don't know of it, mina. American footballer or soccer-er?

Posted by aussiemarg [Madame President in Comma Rehab for 2009] 02/11/2009 at 02:19 AM

Jewell Hi, well I have got Joys name down at a place,also tomorrow going to see another place,got the assement through on Monday by Social Worker,thank God,she is still in Hospital,she really is in the first stages of Alzheimers but with the proper care she will be ok.

Posted by mina 02/11/2009 at 02:21 AM

uh football with a round ball! haha

he's a european baller...dutch or something... i guy forget

Posted by aussiemarg [Madame President in Comma Rehab for 2009] 02/11/2009 at 02:22 AM

Rosangel It will be interesting to see if Borgs great percentage rate will be toppled?

Posted by mina 02/11/2009 at 02:23 AM

i wish you and your mum in law well, AM

Posted by jewell - Make tea, not war 02/11/2009 at 02:25 AM

"i wish you and your mum in law well, AM"

Same here.

thanks Rosangel for all those stats and percentages.

Posted by aussiemarg [Madame President in Comma Rehab for 2009] 02/11/2009 at 02:25 AM

Just read Rogers post interview after the AO? mmmmmmm bit confusing on some fronts no?

Posted by mina 02/11/2009 at 02:26 AM

jewell, here's the Dani thing:
http://tinyurl.com/cfwxj6

Posted by jewell - Make tea, not war. 02/11/2009 at 02:31 AM

to the end...(sorry)

Posted by jewell - Make tea, not war. 02/11/2009 at 02:33 AM

thanks mina.

*does not approve of Sneijder's behaviour (or Dani's, but much less)*

Posted by Rosangel 02/11/2009 at 02:34 AM

I don't think anyone will beat some of Borg's percentages - they were insane. Borg won 89.1% of his Slam matches. In order to reach that percentage even temporarily, Rafa would need to win the next four Slams, and after that, it might all be downhill:) Because of the way the numbers work, I don't see Federer or Nadal topping that Slam career percentage.

Borg also won an average of 5.22 matches per Slam played - i.e. reaching the semis or better on average. I can't see that being topped either.

Posted by mina 02/11/2009 at 02:38 AM

what's Fed's average no. of matches played per Slam? its interesting since he has made semis or better in the last i dont know how many consecutive Slams, 18 or something...

Posted by 02/11/2009 at 02:40 AM

Rosangel Well with stats like that neither can I.Borg to me in some instances never got the full accolades he deserved at all? maybe I am not being 100% objective.Stats dont lie at all.

Amazing really outstanding by Borg.

Posted by aussiemarg [Madame President in Comma Rehab for 2009] 02/11/2009 at 02:41 AM

Headless poster aussiemarg at 2.40am

Posted by mina 02/11/2009 at 02:42 AM

jewell, maybe that's the reason for the sucky play of late (fr Dani) "distraction". hee hee...but since we dont know for sure, i'll let her off the hook. for now.

has any WTA player ever played great after getting into a personal relationship with a fellow sportsman, or any high profile man for that matter? Evert? :) i dont know the history much...

Posted by mina 02/11/2009 at 02:43 AM

AM i think most people would recognize any Borg loving headless post as made by you, in a snap. :)

Posted by jewell - Make tea, not war. 02/11/2009 at 02:44 AM

I think Borg's career often gets overshadowed (unfairly, imo, but I can see why people sometimes think it) by his retirement.

And the USO thing...lots of finals but no memorable win, sadly. So his hard court prowess doesn't get so much attention, either.

Posted by jewell - Make tea, not war. 02/11/2009 at 02:46 AM

good point mina.

*reminds self not to receive gossip as literal truth*

Posted by aussiemarg [Madame President in Comma Rehab for 2009] 02/11/2009 at 02:46 AM

Jewell Yes,it was his early retirement that had people up in the air so to speak.Borg never came out and explained why? people just guessed and made their own minds up,still do.

Posted by aussiemarg [Madame President in Comma Rehab for 2009] 02/11/2009 at 02:49 AM

Borg to me the greatest tennis athlete ever to this day.I can say that without any hesitation at all.I think I would have Rosangel as another person who would agree with me on that point,still never got over his US OPEN defeats,thats why if Rafa could do that I would be over the Moon!

Posted by mina 02/11/2009 at 02:52 AM

jewell, i'm not one to preach as i love goss. my Rafa/Baby K dream match should give you an idea! LOL but in this case, since there is still no confirmation, i'll hold off the verdict. any beach frolicking pics with that dude and Dani is sticken off my WTA to watch list! LOL

*prays that Dina doesnt get any ideas fr Dani*

Posted by aussiemarg [Madame President in Comma Rehab for 2009] 02/11/2009 at 02:53 AM

When are the Laureus Awards due? should be soon.Now with this talk of Michael Phelps and his so called drug taking could very well harm his chances I think.Rafa aleady won a award as the best newcomer in these awards.Would be delighted if he could take out the big one.Though this year seeing last year was a Olympic Year they might vote for a Olympian.

Posted by Rosangel 02/11/2009 at 02:56 AM

Fed matches won per Slam average 4.30

Nadal matches won per Slam average 4.35

Historically the next-best number after Borg's 5.22 is Connors at 4.02, then Sampras at 3.90, Lendl at 3.89, McEnroe at 3.71 and Agassi at 3.67.

Obviously Federer and Nadal's percentages can still go down from where they currently are.

Posted by jewell - Make tea, not war. 02/11/2009 at 02:57 AM

I'm kind of surprised at the low-key general media coverage of Rafa's AO win...maybe the significance is still sinking in.

Posted by aussiemarg [Madame President in Comma Rehab for 2009] 02/11/2009 at 02:58 AM

Jewell Well here in Oz after 1 week the Media are still singing his praises.

Posted by mina 02/11/2009 at 02:59 AM

had it not been for that unfortunate drug issue, i would have thought Phelps had the thing on lock. but now... i think Bolt may have a shot at it...but how great would it be if Rafa won it?

Posted by aussiemarg [Madame President in Comma Rehab for 2009] 02/11/2009 at 03:00 AM

Mina Yes I thought Michael would be a shoe in as well,Bolt has a excellent chance.Roger has won this award 4 years in a row,maybe they will give another Sport a chance.

Posted by jewell - Make tea, not war. 02/11/2009 at 03:01 AM

Maybe I just haven't been looking hard enough. ;)

I dunno, while I don't at all think that Fed stole Rafa's moment or anything like that, the Federer aspect of the win seems to have taken over the hard court Slam win aspect.

Maybe that's just me, though.

Posted by 02/11/2009 at 03:02 AM

jewell, just sent you an e-mail. BTW did you get my response to your last dissertation? I ask 'cause normally my outgoing messages are saved, but not that one.

Posted by Rosangel 02/11/2009 at 03:02 AM

In searching for these numbers, I also found an article written by Sam about 2 years ago, in which he said that at the start of the year, he'd felt that of the young Guns, Gasquet was the one most likely to break through and win a Slam...

:-)

(Sorry, Sam..just goes to show how rash it is to make predictions sometimes).

Posted by aussiemarg [Madame President in Comma Rehab for 2009] 02/11/2009 at 03:03 AM

Jewell Well the Aussie public thought that with Roger crying it took away the spotlight from Rafa to really enjoy his win.That view also held by the media in Australia.

Posted by NP 02/11/2009 at 03:03 AM

Was my last comment eaten? Test.

Posted by aussiemarg [Madame President in Comma Rehab for 2009] 02/11/2009 at 03:05 AM

NP gee I am hungry but not enough to Eat one of your mind blowing comments.

Posted by jewell - Make tea, not war. 02/11/2009 at 03:05 AM

Hey NP - no, I didn't, sorry. :)

Posted by mina 02/11/2009 at 03:06 AM

i second that, jewell... but in the end, its the history books that's gonna have the last say. not the shortsighted or amnesiac media. :)

3 slams on 3 diff surface, all held concurrently + Olympic Gold
= Rafa, and only Rafa!

with all due respect to the greats who have done the same ( 3 diff surfaces), i must say, they didnt get their Olympic Gold in the same year. :)

Posted by NP 02/11/2009 at 03:07 AM

Good to know, AM.

jewell, I'll send you a new one, then.

Posted by jewell - Make tea, not war. 02/11/2009 at 03:08 AM

Good-oh, NP. :)

Posted by Rosangel 02/11/2009 at 03:09 AM

mina: none of them got the Slams on three surfaces within twelve months of each other either.

Posted by aussiemarg [Madame President in Comma Rehab for 2009] 02/11/2009 at 03:10 AM

Mina Agassi holds currently all 4 grands slams,people also forget about him?

Posted by aussiemarg [Madame President in Comma Rehab for 2009] 02/11/2009 at 03:12 AM

Though Agassi didnt hold them concurrent

Agree with Rosangel.Rafa getting them in twelve months of each other

Also remember he can only play on Clay no? LOL!

Posted by jewell - Make tea, not war. 02/11/2009 at 03:12 AM

Would love to see Agassi more discussed in the GOAT debate but guess the other numbers don't support it.

*has somewhat hazy conception of just what those numbers are*

Posted by mina 02/11/2009 at 03:14 AM

it all adds to the awesomeness of the AO win doesnt it?

i have been silently fretting abt the 09 season thinking abt all the points he has to defend comt the spring and until august... what does he do? pulls out an AO win that's what! well, its always good to have that cushion going isnt it? now as to the defense of the massive points fr 08...*faints*

Posted by aussiemarg [Madame President in Comma Rehab for 2009] 02/11/2009 at 03:14 AM

Jewell please not the Goat debate? pls I am already around the twist as it is no? lol!

Posted by Rosangel 02/11/2009 at 03:16 AM

A question occurs to me...do Plexicushion (or Rebound Ace) and DecoTurf count as different surfaces for the purposes of this discussion? Or are we declaring them all the same (as similar as historic Australian grass and Wimbledon grass, say)?


Posted by jewell - Make tea, not war. 02/11/2009 at 03:17 AM

oh sorry, I thought we were already having the GOAT debate, LOL.

I like a stable of GOATS, perhaps with Agassi bleating around the back, trying to get in. ;)

Posted by mina 02/11/2009 at 03:17 AM

that midcareer walkabout Andre took cost him mention in the GOAT debate... grrrr. darn that brooke! LOL

oh well. he's still one of the greatest, no one can take a career golden slam away, that's what i think!

Posted by aussiemarg [Madame President in Comma Rehab for 2009] 02/11/2009 at 03:17 AM

Mina Well the Rafa story goes like this,he waits for the Clay season to mass his points,then goes to Wimbledon via Queens does well then is totally exhausted.Fails at any of the h/court tournaments.Gets to the US OPEN stuffed fails.Has some type of injury then disappears until the next Clay season.lol!

Posted by jewell - Make tea, not war. 02/11/2009 at 03:19 AM

Plexicushion/Rebound Ace and DecoTurf play differently, don't they? So I sort of lean towards the idea that Federer deserves some extra credit for his three-slam years.

Posted by Rosangel 02/11/2009 at 03:20 AM

Look at it this way - no tournament wins for Rafa to defend until Monte Carlo. And then there's no Federer in the field.

Plus this year no Olympics - hopefully more time to prepare for the USO.

Posted by aussiemarg [Madame President in Comma Rehab for 2009] 02/11/2009 at 03:23 AM

Rosangel Good point the different h/court surfaces in comparison to the Grass?

Well we know they Slowed down the grass,for the clay courters? mmm
Gee Borg then was a Marvel.Didnt hear any slowing down when he won there.

Rebound Ace Yikes bad surface for Aussie summer all round.

Plexicushion was deemed too slow not a fast h/court at all.Gee thats why Rafa won on it.

Deco Turf Fast h/court surface Rafa won the Gold Medal at the Olympics on that surface.

Well make what you will I suppose.To me a win on a Grand Slam surface whatever it may be is something to be hold full stop.

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