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Burn Baby, Burn!
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05/19/2009 - 1:39 PM
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Posted by Tim (2009 Year of Red Rogie!) |
05/20/2009 at 11:02 PM |
lets face it clay was dull until Fed beat Del Po, and then the final, which turned the script on its head, FOR ONCE!
if Delpo had gained the final and lost to Nadal, the tennis world would be ASLEEP, lets face it... |
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Posted by Corrie (not Carrie or Cory) |
05/20/2009 at 11:20 PM |
Pompous, arrogant Roger, with an ego so big he needs a truck to carry it around (a Mercedes truck of course) and humble, noble, sporting Rafa, with a collection of tics and time wasting devices also carted around, but in a humble Toyota, actually seem to regard each other as quite nice, pleasant buddies. |
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Posted by Russ (Was Rafa really tired?) |
05/21/2009 at 01:01 AM |
I have arrived to help with the arrest and incarceration of Mr. Zemek for the crime of treason.
But hey, maybe if Rafa would bounce around a little less and stop sprinting around the court doing suicides before matches and on changeovers, he might have had enough energy to beat the Fed? I mean, clearly-- the *only* reason Fed won was because Rafa was so completely tired and exhaused. The due was on fumes. Even Bjorn Phau would have beaten him.
Which begs the question... should he have been fined for not putting forth his best effort? I mean, here's the #1 player in the word on his favourite service getting smoked in straight sets by a dude that he owns. Unable to convert a single break point. Unable to save a single break point. In Madrid. I smell a rata. |
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Posted by gillian richards |
05/21/2009 at 03:03 AM |
When Roger won Rafa in Hamburg 2 years ago- everyone was saying Roger will win Roland Garros it did not happen.Don't forget RAfa this year has won 3 out of 4 clay tournaments & was a finalist in the event(MADRID)he did not really want to play in.
We will see what happens in Paris- I am sure Rafa will be up fior this.
Roger will be confident however Rafa has lost one match on clay this year- you would have thought froim the correspondence he had lost every match on clay |
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Posted by Kofi |
05/21/2009 at 03:51 AM |
olive:
I think Madrid is faster because it is higher above sea level so the atmospheric pressure is lower ('thin air') and the ball gets less friction with the air, as well as less effect (in-air trajectory bending) due to spin (e.g. Nadal's topspin), so the players say that "the balls fly" and find them difficult to control between the lines. Besides the surface in Madrid is new and it seems it is a bit harder than other clay courts, which makes the bounce more similar to that of hard courts.
In Hamburg I think the main difference is that the bounce is low, which is good for Federer's comfort hit zone and for Nadal not to punish him so much with high topspinned balls, specially to his backhand.
This is basically what I understand, but someone may correct me. |
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Posted by Rosangel |
05/21/2009 at 06:14 AM |
Perhaps people predicted it because they knew (even though they didn't want to know) that there was a nugget of truth in there, Tim?
Hey, a win is a win...the circumstances of every win aren't the same.
I'll take Andy Murray's view over Tracy Austin's on whether Rafa was likely to be tired, any day of the week....
But the real point most people are making is that, given the circumstances of the win, it may not mean much in Paris.
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Posted by . |
05/21/2009 at 08:33 AM |
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Posted by Nam1 |
05/21/2009 at 10:29 AM |
Tim, perform yes, which Rafa did, not necssarily win.
Not all Rafa fans chalk up his loss to tiredness.
Fed won fair and square in Madrid, just like Rafa won fair and square in FO, 2008, Wimby 2008 and AO 2009.
I saw plenty of Fed fans making excuses for those losses.
(mono, back, light, etc , etc...)
BTW,I think you are hilarious although in my opinion, you do support the wrong player!! |
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Posted by Ken |
05/21/2009 at 12:00 PM |
overblown analysis. the win was not that big of deal as it's made to be here. bodo is a fed sycophant and panders to fed fanatics, who lap it up. nearly EVERY article or blog he writes is fed-centric. yet the semi-final was a way better match by objective standards. most of federer's "tactics" djokovic had already employed in all his matches with nadal this season - down the line shots, drop-shots, etc. nadal was tired in the final and this matters. no matter what people want to believe. now suddenly the "master" fed is going to win roland garros? did anyone here SEE lasts year's final? 6-3. 6-1. 6-0. need i say more? |
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Posted by Maplesugar at work |
05/21/2009 at 12:37 PM |
Ken, I wish Pete pandered to Fed KADS (but then he wouldn't be Pete!). Truth is, he does not worship at our Fed's altar at all, and I always read his pieces with trepidation in anticipation of him hurting my feelings.
Go, Fed! The REAL #1. (Sorry...I was channeling Serena just then.) Rafa is the real #1. |
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Posted by Samantha Elin(supporter of al things Scandinavian) |
05/21/2009 at 12:46 PM |
Go Tim, keep the Fedbear haters in line. |
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Posted by Crazy-for-Rog |
05/21/2009 at 12:59 PM |
Rosangel@1:15PM: "I do hope that was meant to be funny, Tigress. Because it certainly made me smile."
It made you smile? Why? Because Federer is clearly a foul-mouthed, sore loser, and an arrogant jerk, who has no integrity in the way he plays the sport? And dear humble Rafa is such a role model, refusing to ever accept that he is the favorite, taking his time between points (seeing them clock Rafa before he was ready to serve, on TV, was really funny!), clocking in at 38 seconds before he hits his serve, making his opponents wait at the net (this time Fed said - "not playing your game this time, buddy"), making his opponents wait an additional 10 minutes before they head out of the locker room, making sure to say "no excuses" after the match, since all his excuses have been made before the match - "For sure I'm not 100%, I cannot lie, no? I'm not my best physically after this match, but for sure - I try my best tomorrow, no?" |
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Posted by Sherlock |
05/21/2009 at 01:33 PM |
Yowsee. Somebody got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning. :) |
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Posted by olive |
05/21/2009 at 02:29 PM |
thank you kofi!
i finally understand the difference between these the madrid and hamburg clay court surfaces and how it effects play. i really appreciate your explanation.
but can you or anyone else explain the difference between the madrid clay court surface and the australian open hard court surface. how is it that the australian open surface favors nadal's game but the madrid clay court surface doesn't? or put another way. how is it that the madrid clay court surface favors federer's game and the australian open surface doesn't necessarily? |
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Posted by Tigress |
05/21/2009 at 02:36 PM |
Crazy-for-Rog at 12:59:
Word!! You should re-post this on a more active thread where everyone can see it. TV should run a timer on every point Rafa serves, with a bright red light when he passes 25 seconds, Bright orange at 30, Maroon at 35, and a bright purple light with a buzzer at 40 seconds. |
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Posted by Rosangel |
05/21/2009 at 03:04 PM |
Crazy-for-Rog: I'm not even going to bother to reply to your putting words into my mouth. You're getting defensive over nothing.
The only thing I will say is that Tigress isn't generally considered the local arbiter on who should teach whom good manners.
I have always said that if enough people are bothered by it, it would be a very good thing if the rule on time between points was enforced - but I frame it as an enforcement issue. Players would soon adjust if they knew that points would be docked. |
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Posted by Tim (2009 Year of Red Rogie and Free Reeshard!) |
05/21/2009 at 03:33 PM |
Russ, what's the fate of Mr. Zemek? Dont let Federbear go all DIck Cheney on him, ok? I'm sure with some encouragement, he will change his ways soon enough :) |
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Posted by Tim (2009 Year of Red Rogie and Free Reeshard!) |
05/21/2009 at 04:06 PM |
Ros, nugget of truth? id call it more a built in excuse that rides on Rafa's reputation for being 'worn out' 'tired' 'run down' and all of the rest of it we've heard over the years...
odd considering no other player seems to get those built in excuses, and certainly would never use them!
did Roddick use it as an excuse after his 20-18 fifth set win in Oz? if anyone had the chance it was him, and he gamely showed up to fight in the semis and no one took away the effort of his SF conquerer as quickly as they take these wins from Fed... |
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Posted by Crazy-for-Rog |
05/21/2009 at 06:48 PM |
Tim, the current world number one has lost the most matches due to sheer exhaustion, more than any other world number one I can every remember. Let's run down the list of Rafa losses that came with an asterisk for the winner:
1) Madrid '09 F - fatigue from SF, high altitude
2) USO '08 SF - fatigue from the excellent season up to that point
3) Cincy '08 SF - fatigue from playing/winning Toronto the previous week
4) Chennai '08 F - fatigue from SF against Moya
5) USO '07 QF - bad knees, physically worn down
6) Wimbledon '07 F - fatigue (played consecutive days due to rain)
7) Hamburg '07 F - fatigue from SF against Djokovic
8) AO '07 QF - fatigue from SF against Murray
I'm sure I can come up with many more to add to this list, but this is from what I remember off the bat. |
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Posted by Tigress |
05/21/2009 at 07:29 PM |
Crazy-for-Rog: So true. The indestructable 22 year-old is always the one with the 'fatigue' excuse. This nonsense was getting old and tired 2 years ago. Thanks for the list of lame excuses. |
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Posted by Rosangel |
05/21/2009 at 08:53 PM |
Hey, four of those losses came directly after giving his all in winning one of of the best matches of the past three years - of which Nadal has played (and won) more than anyone in the ATP currently. Doubtless it has to do with the way he wins matches. It's pretty pointless suggesting that it doesn't have any effect on his body, or that there isn't a large mental effort involved. That's just something he'll either need to live with, or deal with by further changes to his game. A win is a win - I've always said that. But there's nothing wrong with fans looking at the circumstances of a loss if they want to, when the point of the analysis is trying to assess what might happen next to a certain player or in a given matchup.
The Hamburg SF in 2007 wasn't against Djokovic but Hewitt.
In the USO '07 QF Nadal was in visible pain - it was excruciating to watch. Not his opponent's fault that this garnered attention - but that's what was going on. |
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Posted by Rosangel |
05/21/2009 at 08:59 PM |
Oh,, why do I bother?
:-)
These arguments always unwinnable. Most people accept that the man who wins a match wins fairly whatever the circumstances, but it should be possible to discuss those without them being labelled as "excuses" each time. What sensible analyst leaves out key data? |
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