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Bad News Bearettes
Posted 11/06/2009 @ 1 :30 PM

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by Pete Bodo

The Fed Cup final starts tomorrow, although you wouldn't know it from the media black-hole the event occupies. That's okay, there's something nice - and enjoyable - about having an event all to ourselves, right? So get ready to laze around tomorrow and Sunday, taking in last bit of tennis worth watching.

My own feeling is that compared to the recent Sony-Ericsson Championships and the suspiciously oxymoronic Commonwealth Tournament of Champions (Bali), the Fed Cup will be easy on the eyes (how can you beat red clay and the sunshine of a southern Italian resort town - or Flavia Pennetta for that matter, on that score?). I also expect it to be a colorful, spirited battle, rather than the limp to the finish line of another season, featuring antsy and cranky tennis starlets.

The big question, to my mind, is just how competitive we can expect the USA to be in this final. Flavia Pennetta and  Francesca Schiavone have demonstrated that when it comes to Fed Cup, they deliver as reliably as Fed Ex. Plus, they're playing on home turf. In fact, while this squad has brought home the Fed Cup before (2006, from Belgium, and by the same squad that will take the clay tomorrow) this is the first Fed Cup final ever held on Italian soil. And we have this: The Italians have yet to beat the USA in nine meetings; can you say "payback?" So the Americans have their work cut out for them. if they want to avoid being ground under the boot heel of Italy.

But before we wade into the match-ups, I should tell you all that I have a new post up at ESPN on the one-year suspensions laid upon two Belgian players (Yanina Wickmayer and Xavier Malisse) yesterday.

The sentiments I expressed in the post haven't changed overnight, and I see that Wickmayer has voluntarily withdrawn from Bali. While suffering a one-year and potentially career-ending (Malisse) or derailing (Wickmayer) suspension seems harsh, given that it's merely for missing tests instead of testing positive, this towering question still looms: If the "whereabouts" rule is so onerous, how come the other players, from Roger Federer and Serena Willliams to Vince Spadea and Jill Craybas, have been able to work with it?

The original news bulletin about the suspensions never mentioned that in addition to missing a test, Malisse violated the "whereabouts" rule on two other occasions. That's a little disturbing. So is the fact that both players are Belgians, when you consider how few players from that nation are afoot on the tours. It suggests a potential link in their cases, although that's purely circumstantial.

I suppose you can also choose to interpret this unexpectedly harsh decision (just weeks ago, it was thought that the two players would slip away with just a warning) as a "signal" being sent in the wake of Andre Agassi's revelations. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. But nobody fabricated the actionable charges against the two players, so, looking it at it that way just serves mainly to muddy the waters - but that seems to happen in every single doping case that comes to light anyway.

Those hostile to the anti-doping effort are always going to find a double-standard, injustice, or prejudice in play; vigorous proponents of a "clean" sport will always retort that most of those details are circumstantial at best, while a positive test, or clear, uncontested violations of the "whereabouts" rule not only warrants action, it demands it.

People sometimes forget that last bit. What are you supposed to do if  you're a doping control agent, ignore clear, fact-based evidence because it might result in controversy, or even damage to the sport? Once a system is put in place, the only thing worse than potential injustice is selective or non-enforcement of the regimen's provisions. We'll see what Malisse and Wickmayer have to say for themselves in the appeal process.

On to Fed Cup. 

The draw broke well for the Italians, and it's not like they've needed help from the gods. Pennetta has been having a career-year since about the mid-point of 2009, and Schiavone has drafted behind her. Pennetta will meet Alexa Glatch in the opening match. More important, Francesca Schiavone, who meets Melanie Oudin in the second match, is well-positioned to delier a potential knockout blow. She's had a smoking-hot hand lately; in her last two tournaments, she was a finalist (Osaka) and a champion (Moscow).

Say what you want about the quality of those events, or the competition Schiavone faced - I think any player would rather win a second or even third-rate event than lose in the third or fourth round of a major. It's not just about the ranking points, either. It's about winning matches. Those W's are like potato chips, you just can't get enough of them.

Schiavone didn't beat a single player ranked above her (she lost to the only one she met, in the Osaka final, no. 15 Slammin' Sammy Stosur). But don't underestimate what nine wins in 10 matches can do for a girl when she's going up against a relatively inexperienced opponent who's ranking nearly doubles her own (Oudin is no. 49).

The head-to-head records of the singles players tell an interesting story, if the nearly absolute lack of story can be said to be tantalizing. There is no telling H2H detail; Alexa Glatch played Flavia Pennetta at Roland Garros this year, and won one-and-one. But Pennetta was playing hurt. Glatch has has never played Schiavone, and Penetta has never clashed with Oudin. The only other match-of-record was Schiavone's one-and-one rubout of Oudin at Indian Wells in 2008. It's foolish to draw conclusions based on that match; at the time, Oudin was no. 320 in the world and just testing the waters of the pro tour. She's a different player today.

This tabula rasa may work for the heavy underdogs from the USA. The Italians may not be overly worried about Glatch (who hasn't played well in 2009), but you know they're wondering if Oudin, the crowd darling they couldn't help but watch at the US Open has become a force. Heck, everyone is wondering that in the wake of Oudin's sensational run in New York, which leaves her nicely positioned to add to a resume already sprinkled with unexpected heroics.

I expect Oudin to do well on clay, partly because she has great wheels but also because of her nerve. She's a very tough player to beat, unless you can tee off on her serve. But it's harder to hurt a woman with a return on clay, especially if you're not looking to go for broke. We all know how many problems a high-quality competitor with a solid, consistent game can pose on red dirt.

The pressure on the Italian squad will be significant, and that's always in play in Fed or Davis Cup. The same details that point toward an Italian win, including the one-two punch of a weak record against the US and the home court advantage, can be turned inside-out very quickly. However, the Italians ought to be sufficiently veteran not to be spooked into such a reversal of terms.

On paper, Glatch's chances are slim to none, but this is the same girl who, in the USA's last meeting (and her Fed Cup debut), won both her singles against excellent players who had the home-court advantage: Iveta Benesova and Petra Kvitova. In fact, she lost just six games in the process. But the Czechs held the tie on an indoor hard court, which also worked out nicely for the Californian, Glatch. The question of how she'll fare against crafty veterans on clay is an open one.

This tie could be much closer than it may appear, and it could be decided by the doubles - in which case the USA is really in with a chance, what with Leizel Huber (the world's no. 1 doubles player) on the squad. Huber is, according to Fed Cup captain Mary Jo Fernandez, the "unquestionable" leader of this team, and she was the linch-pin in the two narrow victories that brought the USA to southern Italy. That gives the Italians something to ponder, and makes securing the tie before the doubles a high priority. Vania King (a last-minute substitute for Serena Williams) is no slouch in doubles.

I'll be up front about this: I really like both of these teams; they personify gritty, no-nonsense tennis, and cover the spectrum from sophisticated to youthfully exuberant. I'd be pulling for the Italian girls without a moment's hesitation - if they were playing anyone but this particular USA team, the survivor of two 3-2 decisions. Call them the Bad News Bearettes. I think they'll be be causing plenty of mischief in the honey-hole of Reggio Calabria.

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Mischief in Italy -- I hope so, but am not optimistic. Prove me wrong, US!

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Yuck. INTO THE HONEY HOLE?????????????????????? Change the title. How awful, and hopefully, unintentionally sexist, and just plain creepy. Did not read the post because the title was so bad.

Where is MOD? Doesn't someone actually look at this stuff like this AWFUL TITLE before it posts? There is no excuse, such as English as a second language for Pete here. Aren't any other girls offened by this TITLE? HONEY HOLE??????

Offended. not offened.

I haven't been on in a while but the title of this has me scratching my head. Seems dirty and demeaning. After the previous jokester post maybe someone is posting using Pete's byline?

pete, for instance malisse is considering retiring because he can't afford to appeal, he gave a press conf in tears.

and even wickmayer is considering the same, because the cost to apeal for the TAS is very high.

hey I thought Glatch beat Penetta 6-1/6-1 in Roland Garros... Flavia had a thigh injury

This post may be about the Fed Cup final, but you spent enough page space on your ESPN story that I feel free to comment: I couldn't disagree more with what you wrote. First of all, as one of the comments on the article state, you seem to have missed the facts of the case against Wickmayer entirely. Failing to provide whereabouts for a possible drug test on 3 days is a lot different from not showing up to 3 drug tests. Am I convinced of her innocence? Not at all. Because there is NOTHING to convince a person either way as to whether she was doping or not. Even if it turns out that she has been doping in future drug tests, this year ban is not justifiable. It speaks volumes that the prosecuting attorney in her case agreed there was nothing to base a conviction on. If you are honestly waiting to see what develops and to see if the doping agency produces any valid reason for suspending her for a year, and by extension that means that you have more faith in the knowledge of a doping agency than that of an attorney regarding the amount of facts necessary to prove a violation occurred and to support a punishment, then you have misplaced your faith.

Hopefully this decision is overturned on her appeal. Presumably she had been tested before or during the questioned period and if she is truly innocent will have no problem in submitting to more tests and providing more testimony. If not, then punish the violation the right way--when it has been proven. Wickmayer could be the first tennis player's career ruined by absurd doping / drug abuse policies when the player was in their ascendancy. Malisse, Gasquet, Hingis... they had already had their shots. If this girl is knocked off her game right as she is finding it, and it turns out she was innocent, tennis results will carry an unfortunate sense of "what-if?" into the next year. Bad enough she's already withdrawn from Bali after winning her first match.

For the benefit of all you outraged by the original title: Honey hole is an expression I was familiar with in only two, related contexts: fishing and wildlife behavior. Bears are known to discover "honey holes" in logs, and over the years I've often heard "honey-hole" used to describe a particularly productive pool in a trout stream.

I was utterly unaware of any double-entendre (that ought to bring out the Freudian crowd) but my editor-in-chief here called to alert me to it. Perception is reality, although how I'm really curious to find out if official sources on usage also acknowledge the dirty meaning. Anyway, I've changed it.

And Aka, even if the double entendre is real, isn't it merely vulgar, rather than sexist? Not that it matters much. But I apologize for the error and if I feel any differently about the issue after checking some sources, I'll let y'all know - not to make a point, just to inform. I have a feeling you're probably right, though.

mariej - Thx for that little tidbit re: X Man. :(

Okay, the dirt-seekers win the day, but for all you so easily outraged and inclined to think the worst, I invite you to Google the words "honey hole" and see what you come up with. Now I feel a little dirty myself, falling for the hysterical protests. But I'll leave the new title just to appease the easily offended (or dirty-minded). BTW, I thought "honey hole" was a paricularly nice phrasing, given the color of the red clay of those Calabrian courts. My pal Ubaldo Scanagatta is apt to get a huge kick out of all this when I tell him about the Puritan backlash!

Rondiesel - Thanks for catching that, you are absolutely right and I changed the text accordingly. Cheers.

I have also learned that "The Honey Hole" is a wildly popular name for restaurants. Again, run a Yahoo or Google search. That ends it for me.

"Now I feel a little dirty myself, falling for the hysterical protests."

OMG you used the word HYSTERICAL how SEXIST I'm so angry I'm going TO randomly capitalize WORDS!!!!!!!!!!!


[as soon as I saw that title I knew we were in for some fun]

New extended extract on the random house site of the start of the Agassi book:

http://www.randomhouse.com/catalog/display.pperl?isbn=9780307268198&view=excerpt&ref=rhtwt

Marie,

Is it really true that Malisse gave a press conference in tears?

If so, then I am terribly upset for him.

Honey hole - I had never heard that phrase.In England the phrase "honeypots" means highly touristed villages - and after two delightful summer vacations in Italy recently, I thought may be that's what you meant in an American twist on that. But pondered its possible vulgarity once others pointed it out, and kudos for changing it.

Ah, observer. . . note that Wickmayer was suspended for one thing and one thing only - three violations of the whereabouts rule. I couldn't disagree more with your post.

Whether or not she was doping is an entirely different issue and, actually, irrelevant here. Think of it this way; if your boss says you're fired if you fail to show up for work three days in a row and you do that, it seems to me you get. . .fired.

Grant, LOL. You know, though, I give you my word - the double-entendre never even occurred to me.

To the pure ... all things are pure!!!

It's even worse when it's spelled 'hunny', which is why I'm organizing an A. A. Milne book-burning this weekend.

When I saw his title I thought Pete must be the most innocent person alive or he is drunk today.

thebigapple: I guess that would make it two days in a row, right?

the big apple - that would make it two days in a row, right? ;)

Lol!

But, Pete, what if you had contacted the boss before you missed those three days to tell him that you were going to miss those three days, and he told you it was all right? Then you called him again, because you talked to him two days before you left, and he didn't seem to have remembered it? Then, when you came back, he told you that you were fired? Granted, you still did it, but it smacks of unfairness, because you tried to warn him ahead of time.
I've been following the Wickmayer story on message boards, and from what Belgian board members say has appeared in their press, something similar happened here. There was something wrong with the computer system, and she tried to contact officials more than once about it. In her hearing, they say IT experts were able to back up her story. Granted, she still committed the offense, but it seems to me that she put some diligence into letting officials know she was having issues. If this version of the facts is correct, doesn't it seem that at least some of the blame lies with the anti-doping authorities, too?
I've read before that you have friends in the Belgian press, Pete. Please get in touch with them, because inquiring minds would love to know what the deal is here!

Eve A. - Well put, and you explain why I'm eager to hear the entire story from both sides.

Well, Pete, all this shows is that you may have more readers who have one definition of "Honey Hole" pop into their heads than the other, more rustic, bear in the woods definition.

It really cracks me up. We've got more pervs reading this blog than outdoorsmen/women.

Well what do you expect from a tennis crowd? :)

Pete, one thing about the whereabouts rule -- you said that if Fed & co can work with it, why not Wickmayer and Malisse. But it seems to me that if it is difficult to comply with, then it would be doubly difficult for players who don't have the resources of the top players -- some of whom travel on a shoestring, by themselves, to save money. I don't know the details of the compliance regulations, but I am sure it helps to have a lot of back-office support.

And, plus, one of the big issues with the Agassi case was that it showed how arbitrary it all can be: I know this in more detail about cycling. For instance, when a big bust was made on a Spanish doctor, many French and Italian cyclists were banned -- but no Spanish riders!! I have no reason to believe the tennis authorities are any more reliable, so I extend the benefit of the doubt to all the players, not just the famous or likeable ones.

I totally agree with Pete's point that if the rules are there and you violate them then you're out. After Andre's damaging revelations about past laxities, can the authorities really say now, "OK, we've got some rules, but if you don't follow them, that's alright,we'll let you off"?

"The only other match-of-record was Schiavone's one-and-one rubout of Oudin at Indian Wells in 2008. It's foolish to draw conclusions based on that match; at the time, Glatch was no. 320 in the world and just testing the waters of the pro tour. She's a different player today."

Oudin was no. 320, not Glatch... sorry Pete but can't let go of the many mistakes you had. trivial in comparison to previous title lol

I expected the uproar when I saw this title....but how could I resist the opportunity to be first?

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Pete ----- Honey Hole?

I agree with Dunlop 100%

What a way to get more people on this blog lol!

Now on to the latest ridiculous doping case. If anyone was wondering whether the ATP or WTA actually represented the players they need look no further than this.

Completely bogus, and it offends me to no end that the administrators of the sport I love have caved so badly to what amounts to political fashion.

The bottom line is that there has never been any evidence that tennis is a "dirty" sport in the sense of its athletes using performance enhancing drugs. Agassis' book only proves that young multi-millionaires are going to use recreational drugs on occasion. Geez, what a shocker.

How this ever spread to recreational drug use is sadly predictable but no less dissapointing.

The Olympic games certainly "talks the talk" about being the one place where humans can put aside political differences for some time, but tennis as a sport really "walks the walk" -- it does not matter what country you are from, as a player you were allowed to play.

Although it took an ATP boycott of Wimbledon to get players fully freed from their respective federations, it was great because there was one sport in which all you needed was the entry fee and the ability to get to the tournaments, and you could take your shot.

The fact that all of these suspensions have fallen on rank and file players really burns me. So much so that my usual logic is not quite there.

Suffice to say that this doping control business has gone too far in a sport where there was little, if any proof to begin with of enough use to justify it. Especially in a sport which fought so long and hard for the rights of individual players to be free of administrators telling them where they could or could not play.

Prove to me that half of the ATP top 50 are on steroids and then you can do this.

One guy out of 800 players with rankings is not enough for me. Not enough for all the players to give up the basic right of privacy.

Two things, Pete:

First, since the Fed Cup singles "stars" will be playing two singles matches in two days in more temperate Italy instead of 4 or 5 matches in 4 or 5 days in the 100+ degree temperatures of Doha, I would certainly expect to see less "limping to the finish line" in Italy than we saw in Doha.

Second, if I give credence to the "usually reliable sources" who claim that, as late as Octber 23, the word was that Malisse and Wicky would receive only reprimands and fines, I have no doubt that their one-year suspensions -- justifiable or not -- are the first example of what I will call the "Agassi fallout." More to come, I think, when the WADA and ITF appeals of the Gasquet decision are completed.

Sorry I missed the viewing of the banned title...I would have thought that a Winnie the Pooh reference was being made. And shame on you for the sexist "bearettes" instead of just "bears." LOL

pete, oh yeah, Into the Honey Hole would make a good porn title. glad you changed it. But i loved your line about flavia and frannie being as reliable in Fed Cup as FedEx! cute!

now to read about wicky...

Pete, just to say I liked the Travelin Man piece. Humorous writing is always a little tricky to get just so ....but a nice change of pace.

Very well put Dunlop, you old warhorse. I agree. The tough thing is now that they have this brutal regimen, how do you choose not to enforce it - as much as they hope for some reprieve from having to do so (like a hand-written note full of half-truths and outright lies).

And that's why I love you, Ruthie!

Would one of our many knowledgeable Twiber please explain why WADA can't do mandatory drug testing on every player the day they register for a tournament. Isn't that all they would need? I don't understand the need to follow the players around and jump test them. Steroids stay in your system for a long time, correct?
So it wouldn't be possible for players to time their use with when they play next. They would be able to do that with recreational drugs however. Is WADA hung up on recreational drugs?
Talk about Big Brother.

I personally don't care what the players do in their off hours. I just want them clean when they take the court. But I think i'm in the minority here.

Pete can by now predict what will get a rise out of me. :)

Anyway, its probably fine to have some sort of drug testing program, but the ATP and WTA ought to quietly de-subscribe to whatever they currently subscribe to, and make up their own program which makes sense.

If this is some Olympics based regimen it should be optional and no one who does not want to play in the olympics should be forced to partake.

I would think that Nora's point would be the best, in that programs developed for either team sports or for athletes in individual sports who are members of a national team are simply not appropriate for a true individual sport such as tennis.

Whatever the PGA Tour uses, maybe.

Pete writes:

"What are you supposed to do if you're a doping control agent, ignore clear, fact-based evidence because it might result in controversy, or even damage to the sport? Once a system is put in place, the only thing worse than potential injustice is selective or non-enforcement of the regimen's provisions."

Funny, isn't it, how this very same thing could have, and should have, been said right after the SW US OPen incident (I promised never to mention it on this blog again, unless provoked... well, I feel provoked). What was the line judge supposed to do... ignore clear, fact-based evidence because it might result in controversy, or even damage to the sport?

Hmmmm......

Don't condemn the WTA or the ATP quite yet on this one, Dunlop Maxply. From what I gather, this isn't a WTA, ATP or even ITF thing. It seems that there is a Belgian Anti-Doping group that is bringing these cases against Wickmayer and Malisse.

DunlopMaxply: I have often wondered what the PGA does for their drup policing. The same could very well be used for tennis, no?

"I have no doubt that their one-year suspensions -- justifiable or not -- are the first example of what I will call the "Agassi fallout." "

Ruth,
I agree especially as you posted that they were only going to be warned. If Yanina successfully appeal, I think she still will be suspended for at least 3 months which will cause her to miss the Australian Open.

Not sure if it's linked to Agassi - as Pete said the obvious link may mislead.

For me it's right in line with multiple recent suspensions of athletes in many sports under the WADA umbrella for missing notifications - it's consistent with their suspensions for the same "offense" which occurred long before L'affaire Agassi.(I can think of those Greek athletes, a British runner etc among others.)

Whether the notification requirement is overly intrusive (as Murray and Nadal complained last summer) or necessary for "clean" sport is another topic (as is whether "clean" sport is an attainable/desirable goal - sometimes I think the campaign against peds is misplaced because there are SO many other "artificial" ways by which athletes "improve" their form now in terms of equipment, clothes - those new style swimsuits etc - that's it's odd how peds have been singled as as terrible but all the other changes are fine...)

Master Ace I agree with your thoughts there after the Agassi incident

Well, if the ATP is honoring a one-year suspension handed down by some especially intrusive Belgians that they have no connection to, then I really do need an early Gin and Tonic.

Its probably the case that because tennis is an Olympic sport, the governing bodies the ITF, ATP, and WTA, all signed on to, what is it called, "WADA" or World Anti-doping-Agency. Whatever.

Its clearly something that the ATP/WTA agreed to. If I followed Roger Federer into the bathroom at Indian Wells and managed to distract him long enough to get some urine ("look over there, its Anna Wintour in the stall with Grace Jones!"), and then tested my "sample" -- I have a feeling the ATP would not honor any suspension handed down by the DMDDD agency (that's the Dunlop Maxply Don't Do Dope Agency).

"It's even worse when it's spelled 'hunny', which is why I'm organizing an A. A. Milne book-burning this weekend."

LOL! Gawd, Winnie the Pooh was the first and only thing that popped into my head. Guess I'm way too naive ...

Seems even American tennis followers aren't into the great outdoors, but you certainly can't expect overseas readers to know anything about bears and honey.

Nice article, Pete. Was the original title really "Into the honey hole"? If so, why did you change it?:)
I expect the Fed Cup final to be easier to watch than Doha, that's for sure, specially considering that everybody was injured in that tournament. And heck, there will probably be people in attendance for these matches (and probably pretty loud). Oh, and word about Flavia. I would only put the Hott Woz as easier on the eyes than her, but it might be a matter of opinion.
Frankly, i expect the Italians to win quite easily. They are playing in their best surface (the Americans' worst), they are experienced enough to avoid being too affected by the pressure, and they seem to have nice team chemistry, which is always important (just ask the Argies last year). Let's see what Oudin is capable of, but asking her to lead the team to a win in this situation might be too difficult.
As for Malisse and Wickmayer, the punishment is too hard, IMO, just for not telling the doping people (whoever they are) their location. They werent tested positive, after all.
Oh, and i agree with something you wrote: "Once a system is put in place, the only thing worse than potential injustice is selective or non-enforcement of the regimen's provisions." If the system is unfair, try to change it. But until then, those are the rules to follow by everybody. Including the stars of the sport, mind you, who shouldnt be covered in any way.

Miss Jacke I loved "Winnie The Poo"

Is this where I can post that I was sorry to read about the X-Man's suspension. He is much closer to the end of his career than the beginning. Always liked his game, and thought he was an underachiever capable of better resutls....

Dunlop, I agree with your 3:57 PM rant, which I found actually very logical.

Perhaps the administrative leadership of the ATP, WTA, ITF, WADA and Belgian Anti-Doping group need to be tested, eh?

Well I will be behind the Italians in this tie.I feel Faliva has been playing some of the best tennis of her career this year.

I think the American girls will be tough though.

Once you put your country's colours on you seem to step up regardless.

aussiemarg, I'm with you on Winnie the Pooh... I'm just a little black rain cloud... when I up, down, touch the ground, it puts me in the mood, for food!

What players are making up the US fed cup squad?

Yay, aussiemarg/Slice. :)

Remember my Alize/Piglet comparison? Very random. But see? Winnie the Pooh - never far from my thoughts!

aw slice, I can hear winnie right now...he's the cutest thing..

Miss Jackie Alize Cornet needs help ASAP,she dosent like going "shopping"

SnD: You really must get help for your obsession with the USO 20009 Serena incident. :)

Pete's comment about the dangers of selectively enforcing or not enforcing doping rules in the Wickmater/malisse cases would appear, to most ordinary thinking folk, to be more relevant to a discussion of the 1997 treatment of Agassi than it would to anything that has happened in the last 12 years or 12 weeks. But, there you go, stuck on the Serena! LOL

Are you just trying to un-muzzle yourself so that you can practice going full bore when the decision is handed down? We (at least I) can wait until then -- when you could be truly provoked. Or not! :)

Annie - But what's to stop a player from simply not playing a tourney or withdrawing w/ an "injury" to avoid a drug test? Or from getting a little "help" during the off-season or an injury layoff and coming back stronger than ever? From what I remember of the BALCO suits, doping can be a pretty complicated business, with detailed schedules of what PEDs are taken, when, and for how long; that makes me think that a 'registration day' drug test would be pretty easy to work around.

I love golf. I play golf. And I don't like it when people ridicule golfers as being non-athletes.

But...really, the temptation for a golfer to use ANY kind of banned substance must be, on average, about 5% of what it is for tennis players or swimmers or gymnasts or any other participants in individual sports.

"Is it really true that Malisse gave a press conference in tears?"

Yes:
http://tinyurl.com/ye78lq7

sblily: true, i know you're right. my idea is way to antiquated and there's way too much room for cheating. And it's usually not the top players doing the ped doping. It's always someone you've never heard of trying to break out of the pack by cheating.

Everyone knows I have one of the dirtiest minds out there. And the Honey Hole thing totally went over my head.

Well done, Pete. You've outdone me!

More to the point: Bearettes?!? Come on. ;)

Annie,
USA team is Melanie Oudin, Alexa Glatch, Vania King, and Liezel Huber while Italy is composed of Flavia Pennetta, Francesca Schiavone, Sara Errani, and Roberta Vinci

Thanks MA!

CNote, where have you been girl? people were getting worried. everything okay?

malimeda - Thx for that pic. Rough. :/

Annie - Your "break out of the pack" comment reminds me of something that I was thinking earlier - that it's so often the Wickmayers (said like Pammy Shriver) of the sporting world that get caught up with the anti-doping machinery.

"Alize Cornet needs help ASAP,she dosent like going "shopping"
I guess i need help too:)
Ruth,
Not that i know much about golf, since i only watch the Ryder Cup, but maybe they would want to be stronger to hit the ball longer?

Tt: I agree with you that the violations involved in the current tennis suspensions are similar to those we've heard about in other sports. In fact, I immediately thought of those two Greek runners virtually hiding from the doping officials during the Olympics.

But, as I said, I see an Agassi connection only because of what reputable sports writers have said -- that reprimands and fines were being considered for Malisse and Wickmayer as recently as days before the "explosion" of the Agassi information. I would even go so far as to say that the timing of the handing down of the decision MAY be Open (as in Andre's book)-related.

(Of course, the writers' sources may have received/given incorrect information about the pending penalties. That is always possible with leaks.)

Dunlop,
I won't comment on the ATP, because I haven't read enough about Malisse's case, but there does seem to be a discrepancy between the WTA and Belgian rules in Wickmayer's situation. From what I've read, they only have Top 50 players (Top 10 in doubles) report their whereabouts, and Wickmayer didn't enter either group until she entered the Top 50 at the U.S. Open.
Here's the link for the information:
http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/SEWTATour-Archive/Archive/AboutTheTour/AntiDopingEnglishVersion.pdf

Had I been here, I would have first thought of Winnie the Pooh too...ooh! A rhyme! Its odd, since I was never read Winnie the Pooh when I was a kid and managed to avoid the Disney-fication of it, but there are a lot of Pooh-isms that float around in my brain. Resulting in any conversation about James Blake gets me to, "James, James, Morrison, Morrison, Whetherby, George, Dupree......" And, I always crave "a little butter with my bread."

Looking forward to seeing Fed on the TC replay tonight. Sounds like his match was pretty straight forward. I wonder if they will also show Djoker/Stan? Which sounds as if it was a little less so.

I see SOME are already on about Bercy cupcakes already. Remember, just say, "Pfft!!"

Had I been here, I would have first thought of Winnie the Pooh too...ooh! A rhyme! Its odd, since I was never read Winnie the Pooh when I was a kid and managed to avoid the Disney-fication of it, but there are a lot of Pooh-isms that float around in my brain. Resulting in any conversation about James Blake gets me to, "James, James, Morrison, Morrison, Whetherby, George, Dupree......" And, I always crave "a little butter with my bread."

Looking forward to seeing Fed on the TC replay tonight. Sounds like his match was pretty straight forward. I wonder if they will also show Djoker/Stan? Which sounds as if it was a little less so.

I see SOME are already on about Bercy cupcakes already. Remember, just say, "Pfft!!"

Had I been here, I would have first thought of Winnie the Pooh too...ooh! A rhyme! Its odd, since I was never read Winnie the Pooh when I was a kid and managed to avoid the Disney-fication of it, but there are a lot of Pooh-isms that float around in my brain. Resulting in any conversation about James Blake gets me to, "James, James, Morrison, Morrison, Whetherby, George, Dupree......" And, I always crave "a little butter with my bread."

Looking forward to seeing Fed on the TC replay tonight. Sounds like his match was pretty straight forward. I wonder if they will also show Djoker/Stan? Which sounds as if it was a little less so.

I see SOME are already on about Bercy cupcakes already. Remember, just say, "Pfft!!"

Annie -- All is fine. Working on some stuff that requires me to be internetless for most of the day and evening. Thanks for the concern! I really didn't think people would notice but you know it's a problem when people are emailing my friends to figure out if I'm dead or not.

Not to worry. My snarky heart is still tickin'.

oops sorry of that came out thrice. which isn't nice.

ACK!!! REALLY sorry! Once was MORE than sufficient.

The Honey Hole thing almost... almost got past me, but I couldn't let it go. Lol. The California governator recently sent an official letter with some code to one of our reps, just couldn't help myself.

Hoping that Team USA puts up a strong fight, something tells me they might just pull this off. Ms. Glatch may be the key player if Melanie plays like she did at the USO.

Eve A - V. interesting! Thanks for that link.

So according to the AP and other news outlets, Wicky failed to report her whereabouts 3 times. That memo in the link you posted says the the information has to be filed once a quarter. BUT TTC's "news" update today said that she was suspended for failing to file that information 3 times over a 6 month period, which doesn't make sense.

Definitely sounds like there's more to this story than is being reported. Unfortunately, it's not clear that a lot of the folks doing the "reporting" have a full grasp of the facts and relevant rules.

The ATP and WTA signed on with WADA because (a) tennis is an Olympic sport and (b) they probably got tired of people who kept saying that they couldn't police themselves and that their so-called independent groups (in the case of the ATP, a group made up of former judges etc whom they had making the rulings) weren't really independent of the players- and TD-run ATP and WTA.

The cynics would have probably compared the independent groups to Karzai's independent election board, and -- oops! after Agassi, the cynics would be saying, "See, I told ya!"

Now, we can only hope that WADA is independent of the governing bodies and players unions of ALL of the sports whose doping procedures WADA controls. It's probably the best one can hope for,no?

CL - according to TTC TV schedule in my area, all quarterfinals will be replayed this evening.

"Looking forward to seeing Fed on the TC replay tonight. Sounds like his match was pretty straight forward. I wonder if they will also show Djoker/Stan? Which sounds as if it was a little less so."

CL,
All Basel matches were live and all Basel matches will be replayed later on Tennis Channel

It's been a while since we had a Winnie the Pooh discussion in TW. Probably not since the RNKAS decided to give out Tigger awards in the knee-owner's honour:)

I don't live very far from the original location of A.A. Milne's Hundred Acre Wood and the bridge where Pooh-sticks were played. Sometimes go walking there, in fact. But have never spotted a Heffalump....though of course these elusive creatures were always (at least in Pooh's imagination) in pursuit of Pooh's honey.

sblily: I actually saw one article that said 3 times in 18 months. Anyway, the 3 times in 6 months could mean that she missed the 1/1, 4/1, and 6/1 quarterly reporting dates.

thx just a note and Master Ace for the Basel/TC info.

Rosangel - you might spot Eeyore 'round Wimbledon time, in his current VERY tall guise as JMDP.

That should read...1/1, 4/1, and 7/1 quarterly reporting dates.

Ruth - You're right re: the dates. But then, wouldn't that mean that Wicky was walking around for 6 months with no one at WADA knowing where she would be on any given date during that period?

I feel now like I did right after Footfault-gate, when all the TV talking heads were flapping their gums about why Serena was the Worst Person in the Worrrrrrlllllld, but not providing any insight or information about the process. :/

Hey C Note long time no see

I love Winne the Poo,he was kind of my childhood hero lol!

Going out, but just wanted to stay for a minute and say hi to everyone. Hey C-note, glad to see you back. Honey hole LOL. It must be an American term because I have never heard of it. I hope the USA wins but I think Italy will take it in four games. I hate to see tennis end because beside cheerleading it is the only sport I like. Also, everyone lighten up, its Friday, and everything is GREAT. Go Caro, Scandinavia's#1!

Forgot to add, I think Franie is a better player then Oudin particularly on clay and I know Penetta is better than Glatch.

In the words of Marcia Brady, if 'something suddenly came up', how much notice does a player have to change the location of the following day's whereabouts? For example, if I'm a wta player and one late evening during a tournament Marat invites me over to his place.....well, you know I'm not turning that down!! Am I stuck at home for the evening or do I take my first 'failure to show'?

I'm, how shall I say this... stuck in the muddle with you, Ruth. ;-))

sblily: You're right about the confusion surrounding the Wicky issue. This password business...could she have thought that she was logging in her itinerary but they weren't receiving it? Usually, in the case of non-working passwords, a person isn't able to access a site, and he/she should then write or call someone, right? Maybe, more details will emerge during the appeal process.

Mr and Mrs D, that's not the problem with Wicky. It's that she didn't let them know of her whereabouts at all on three occasions. The notification is a mandatory reporting requirement. It's been said her defence was there was a computer password error. This seems implausible on the face of it, but we are currently short on facts and long on speculation.

JohnC: I realize that....just curious if a player can submit a change to their following day's whereabouts at the least minute.

btw, I realize rules are rules, but something just doesn't sit well with me over the fact that testing positive can incur a shorter suspension than neglecting to submit your whereabouts 3 times.

Mr and Mrs D: LOL about the reporting of your whereabouts. I'm not an itinerant professional player flying around the globe, and I'd find it difficult to tell anyone exactly where I'd be for one hour each day over a three-month period.

When I first heard about the requirement, I thought it meant that the players have to give a general location (city, province, state, or country) so that the WADA officials in that location could contact them on their cell phones and say, "Be at this place at this hour so we can meet and test you." But it seems to be more exact than that, and I really don't understand how it can work smoothly.

But, as Pete said, the majority of players seem to manage to meet the requirement, so it must be just me.:)

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