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Resurgent Insurgencies 11/19/2009 - 11:41 AM

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by Pete Bodo

Howdy. Over the next few days, I'll be looking at the players nd match-ups in the upcoming Barclays ATP World Tour Finals. Y'all know the groups inside-out, and are aware of the most compelling match-up of round robin play: Andy Murray vs. Roger Federer. Del Potro fans might take exception to that, but I think the two men to beat at the YEC are Andy Murray and Novak Djokovic - neither of whom has won a major this year, both of whom are terrific indoor players currently playing well.

Djokovic isn't just playing good tennis-  he's on fire, having beaten pretty much everyone in the course of his recent  Basel-Paris double; Murray is well-rested after a long layoff to heal his wrist, and when he returned a few weeks ago he immediately won Valencia and got a few more matches under his belt before he lost a close one in Paris to Radek Stepanek (6-4 in the third, third-round). Valencia was Murray's 6th title of the year, the most by any ATP player.

In the big picture, Federer doesn't really need to do anything to further advance or enhance his career; in the small picture, he could do himself a big favor by winning his round robin match with Murray, which will not be played before Tuesday. He needs to do that less because of the rankings picture, or to boost his street cred, than to quell the resurgent/insurgent theories that he's in eclipse.

One thing I've  noticed over the years is that certain stories take on a life of their own and eventually become not only inescapable, they also begin to shape reality by unduly influencing it. Dinara Safina learned that recently, in the midst of the controversy surrounding her no. 1 WTA ranking. Can anyone doubt that the relentless ceaseless criticism - hail, the simple fact that the story would not or could not die - the snide, leading press-room interrogations, even the semi-playful banter of Serena Williams (who was thought to be the "real" no. 1) eventually got to Safina, and made her life at the top more rather than less miserable? The girl was emotional toast by the time the US Open unfurled.

Or take Pete Sampras. He also learned what it's like to be steamrolled by what, in political circles, is know as the theory of the Big Lie - the idea that if you shout something long enough, loud enough, enough people are going to buy into it. Sampras learned that during his relative long stretch of patchy play before he won his 14th major at the US Open in September of 2002.

Sampras came into that match having been to just two finals since July of 2000, and he didn't win either of them (Federer's loss to Juan Martin del Potro at the recent US Open was, in some ways, similar to Sampras's stumble against Lleyton Hewitt in the same final of 2001). Worse yet, Sampras had lost in the second and first rounds, respectively, in his previous two majors going into the 2002 American championships. By then, the Is Sampras Finished? theme had morphed into something even more discouraging for the champ: the question that haunted each and every one of his press conferences was, Pete, when are you going to retire?

Sampras was a pretty strong-minded guy. But as the US Open approached, unable to escape the relentless "retirement" question, he became testy and prone to bouts of self-doubt. He started to second guess himself, which often spells the beginning of the end in a sport as confidence-based as tennis. Was he deluding himself, he wondered? One of his great achievements, and it will never show up in the record books, was the mental strength he showed by clinging to the almost inexplicable, deep-down conviction that he still had one major title left in his right arm. And at the point when even his most loyal fans also began to really wonder, he proved himself right.

Right all along, but what a price to pay to prove it: all that stress, all those tiresome questions deflected, but still echoing long after they were tossed off. Once, he literally had to grab the arms of his chair to hold himself down as he began to rise, intent on punching some guy in the nose for asking the "R" question with an unconscious but big, obvious grin on his face.

Federer still has a long way to go before he's in a comparable position, but he can make his own life a lot easier by putting out the small fires before they become big ones. And those fires are going to be ignited every time he plays a tournament and fails to win it. The only real escape from having to endure the always bittersweet experience of leaving the game with the conviction that you'd wrung every ounce of potential out of yourself is to do what Sampras did - make an enormous statement that's at once liberating and undeniably final (Sampras knew better than to get greedy, thinking, Hey, maybe I can grease out another Australian Open, or add one more Wimbledon title).

I don't think Federer is the type who will feel obliged to do that; whatever else you think of him, he's never shown an inclination to rub someone else's nose in the dirt, or throw a big middle finger up in the direction of his critics, or the world in general.  But it's hard to imagine that a guy with as much pride as Federer would just end his career at no. 11 in the world, with a string of six or eight or 12 second or third round losses in his wake.

"Injury" is the word that most high-performance athletes fear even more than the letter "L," but physical failure can make the process of leaving the game less painful. The kindest fate for a player in his early 30s may be fading from the game because the body has begun to protest too much. It's the equivalent of showing up at school without having done your homework - but with an airtight note of excuse from the doctor. Bu it's easier to envision that option, years from now, for Rafael Nadal than for Federer, who still looks like he could finish up with tennis and make a fair mid-fielder on the soccer pitch, or replace Derek Jeter as the New York Yankees shortstop.

Okay, just the fact that I'm thinking like this is a little alarming, and certainly premature. On the other hand, it's always a good idea to peek around the corner up ahead, to see what might lie in wait, and use the preview to plan the immediate future. Which is why Federer could do himself a favor by getting past Murray with minimal drama.  And that won't be easy.

Murray has a winning head-to-head record against every player in his group, and he's a combined 11-2 against del Potro and Fernando Verdasco. Against Federer, he's 6-3. The agggregate H2H is impressive: 17-5. And this guy still hasn't won a major?

Of course, Murray lost the last time they met (Cincinnati, '09), but he won their four previous meetings, including a 7-5 in-the-third battle at the last YEC. Federer is coming into the match trailing a loss to Djokovic in Basel and a surprising second-round collapse against Julien Benneteau in Paris. You'd be hard-pressed to describe that as a slide, but a poor performance in London might make it one, and considerably complicate Federer's life as the Australian Open begins to bear down - barely a month down the road from the end of the championships.

Federer is at that point in his career when he's beginning to hear footsteps, and not just those of Murray, Djokovic, or Nadal. The crowd includes his most ardent fans as well as his most unapologetic critics, a handful of younger players, and a fleet of media adding to the confusion even as its members protest that they're just trying to cover it. This would be a good time for Roger to pick up the pace a bit, not for the sake of his legacy, but for the simple reason that he's earned to right to enjoy the rest of his career without having to defend the desire to do so.

A well-timed win here or there can help accomplish that. And beating Murray in London would be just such a win. We all know that Federer can spend the rest of his career picking his spots, and this would be a good one to choose, even if there's no no. 16 jacket to be worn in the event he wins.

Every conflagration begins with a tiny match.


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Posted by Master Ace 11/19/2009 at 11:43 AM

All matches to be LIVE on Tennis Channel except the final, which ESPN2 will have.

Sunday Order of Play
Nestor/Zimonjic vs Fyrstenberg/Matkowski at 7:30 AM
Andy Murray vs Juan Martin Del Potro at 9:15 AM
Bhupathi/Knowles vs Cermak/Mertinak at 2 PM
Roger Federer vs Fernando Verdasco at 3:45 PM

Monday Order of Play
B Bryan/M Bryan vs Mirnyi/Ram at 7:30 AM
Rafael Nadal vs Robin Soderling at 9:15 AM
Dlouhy/Paes vs Kubot/Marach at 2 PM
Novak Djokovic vs Nikolay Davydenko at 3:45 PM

Tuesday Order of Play - Time to be determined
Roger Federer vs Juan Martin Del Potro
Andy Murray vs Fernando Verdasco
Nestor/Zimonjic vs Cermak/Mertinak
Bhupathi/Knowles vs Fyrstenberg/Matkowski

Wednesday Order of Play - Time to be determined
Rafael Nadal vs Nikolay Davydenko
Novak Djokovic vs Robin Soderling
B Bryan/M Bryan vs Kubot/Marach
Dlouhy/Paes vs Mirnyi/Ram

Thursday Order of Play - Time to be determined
Roger Federer vs Andy Murray
Juan Martin Del Potro vs Fernando Verdasco
Nestor/Zimonjic vs Bhupathi/Knowles
Cermak/Mertinak vs Fyrstenberg/Matkowski

Friday Order of Play - Time to be determined
Rafael Nadal vs Novak Djokovic
Nikolay Davydenko vs Robin Soderling
B Bryan/M Bryan vs Dlouhy/Paes
Kubot/Marach vs Mirnyi/Ram

Tennistv.com will show all doubles matches for free and for 24.95 you can stream all the singles matches

Here is the link telling us about doubles:

http://tinyurl.com/ykgsyuc


Semifinals
Afternoon session - 7:30 AM for doubles and 9:15 AM for singles
Evening session - 2 PM for doubles and 3:45 PM for singles

Finals
Doubles to be played at 7:30 AM
Singles to be played at 9:30 AM *

* ESPN2 will be on the air at 8 AM with semifinal highlights before the live final

Posted by SRao 11/19/2009 at 11:50 AM

MA,

will Fed play 1st on Tue and Thu?Don't they alternate?

Posted by Master Ace 11/19/2009 at 11:55 AM

SRao,
Good question. Tournament organizers try to schedule fairly.

Posted by Annie (Vamos Heavenly Creature) 11/19/2009 at 11:58 AM

Thanks MA for giving us the schedule. Very helpful in making plans.

So the pressure's off nadal. no one thinks he's got a chance to even make the semis. maybe with less pressure he'll play well.

Vamos Rafa!

Posted by Master Ace 11/19/2009 at 12:02 PM

Annie,
Very true on Rafael. See most people picked 0-3 or 1-2 for him as they think Rafael is getting ready to play Davis Cup indoors on clay.

Posted by Master Ace 11/19/2009 at 12:03 PM

Reposted from other thread:

Novak is number 1:

http://tinyurl.com/ykzxg5g


Steve Tignor has picked Novak Djokovic to win London.

I have a feeling that Pete Bodo will pick Andy Murray but we will not know the answer until the Podcast is available.

Posted by zenggi 11/19/2009 at 12:05 PM

Also reposted from the other thread/

Good afternoon,

Hi MA. Thank you for the last news. I hope you'll reconsider your promise while enjoying your vacation, just in case the g-o-d-s align to jinx you. I would miss you, sincerely.

I'm always relieved that Steve doesn't pick Roger to win any tournament and in this case the WTF. Forget about conspiracies, fixed draws and the like. Steve's predictions are 100% infallible. The chosen one doesn't win.

Posted by jb (Chocolate FTW!) 11/19/2009 at 12:19 PM

Master ace thanks for the extended OOP! I can plan my week now! :)

Posted by BrooklynNY 11/19/2009 at 12:21 PM

My guess is Novak/Roger final.

Nadal will get beat his group of enormous hitters especially on an indoor hardcourt.

The reason Murray hasnt won a major yet is: you cannot expect 7 opponents to beat themselves. His game is too reliant on things other than himself.

I can only imagine what its like to be in the press room and every question is a variation of, when are you going to retire. It sucks for Pete considering he made 3 straight US Open finals, losing 2 of them before finally winning in 02. I mean a guy who is making major finals...certainly isn't done. lol

Posted by jb (Chocolate FTW!) 11/19/2009 at 12:24 PM

oh piffle - feddy playing on turkey day.

and pardon my manners, nice post Pete, and nicely done with the 'Every conflagration begins with a tiny match.'

That being said - it would be nice for fed to get past murray. we'll see if he manages it. If not - I'm on board with murray's first major being the wtf's. Though Nole, if he can just gut it out for another week, is the guy to beat. imo. But maybe Sod will come through? oh hail, i haven't a clue who's going to taket this thing - but that's the fun of it, no?

Posted by SRao 11/19/2009 at 12:26 PM

Pete,
Thanks for the post.You always make me think.
Of all your posts,this has been your most contradictory of all.It's full of contradictory statements and contradictory paragraphs.By the time I finished a paragraph [and got angry reading it,because of Federer bashing!] the immediate next paragraph comforted me :-))Thanks for that.

I'm glad you took the "big picture" and "small picture" in context.Especially after Fed's profound interview.
Now Fed fans can relax and watch the WTF.

Posted by Paul Ryan 11/19/2009 at 12:27 PM

Of course I'm rooting for Federer, but if someone had to win other than him then I do hope it's Soderling or the oft-forgotten Davydenko.

Posted by BrooklynNY 11/19/2009 at 12:33 PM

also, excuse my ignorance... the final is still played as a best of 5 set match? or has it all been reduced to 2/3?

Posted by Lynne (Rafalite) 11/19/2009 at 12:34 PM

Good post, Pete, asks a lot of questions and a great deal to consider. But I think you will name Novak or Andy as potential winners.

I'm not good at predictions so I'm just hoping for the highly unlikely to happen!

Posted by Tigress 11/19/2009 at 12:40 PM

Looks like Mr. Bodo is leaning toward a final between Djokovic and his ever-picked and ever-disappointing (in major tournaments) Andy ("Squaremouth") Murray. Probably not Federer. Thank Goodness!

Now, if only Tignor will make his predictably incorrect prediction that Federer won't make the Finals, all will be right with the world, and our confidence in a Roger victory will be greater still.

Posted by SRao 11/19/2009 at 12:40 PM

FYI,
In 2008 TMC, Djoko won in 2straight sets,
In 2007 TMC,Fed defeated David Ferrer:62 63 62 [3straight sets]

I guess MA knows if the rules have changed or not for 2009.

Posted by SRao 11/19/2009 at 12:46 PM

BrooklynNY,

In 2009 WTF, all singles matches will be the best of three tie-break sets. All doubles matches will be two sets (no ad) and match tie-break.


Posted by Arun 11/19/2009 at 12:51 PM

The final is usually a best_of_5 (except in 2004, iirc; I dunno why that was an exception). However ATP changed it to best_of_3 since last year. sigh.

Posted by Carrie - hoping for a healthy WTF 11/19/2009 at 12:53 PM

*The final is usually a best_of_5 (except in 2004, iirc; I dunno why that was an exception).*

Arun- I was there and they changed it because there was a ton of rain that day and they were just trying to fit in a complete match. They started several hours off schedule because of that blasted rain. Meanwhile during the dealy- I was left to the scanty offerings of the concession and had too much cheap wine and a bad experience with one of those Resnaissance Style turkey legs.

Posted by zoilena G. 11/19/2009 at 12:56 PM

Pete, thank you for being allways so sensitive and looking deeply into the players' psychology. I am really impressed that an athletic editor can approach matters with such delicacy and deep thought. However in the Federet matter let me remind you of a factor that you have not mentioned above and which I think has influenced Roger's life since July: his two kids. Being a mother myself of two young kids(one of them actually was born this year)and taking into account what a sensitive guy Roger is,I cannot believe that having two babies at home does not consume a part of yourself, no matter how many nannies or carers you have. Give Roger a break please. Kids are the sweetest prison and yes, up to a certain point they can lower your wings. He will settle better with the new situation with time, in my opinion.

Posted by Arun 11/19/2009 at 12:57 PM

oh. Thanks for the info, Carrie.

Posted by Anne 11/19/2009 at 01:00 PM

Carrie, I'm going to go pop a few Tums just thinking about your vino/turkey leg experience!

Posted by Carrie - hoping for a healthy WTF 11/19/2009 at 01:11 PM

Anne- it was bad...hee hee. I know that there were a variety of reasons why the YEC was only in Houston for two years but I think that one big reason was because they wanted to get away from the craptacular concessions.

All in all- not the most stellar experience. After the long delay and waiting out a ton of rain and a pretty one sided match- we had to drive more than two hours back to Austin in the dark with some rain so we could go to work on Monday morning. I was five years younger then but now- as I getting deeper into my 30s I don’t think I could do it. But I wanted to see Federer in the final darn it come hell or high water.

Hmmmm…sounds like there may be a replay between the Russia/France WC qualifying match?

Posted by Aeroz 11/19/2009 at 01:11 PM

Roger's made it completely clear that he intends to play at least to the 2012 Olympics which will hopefully quell the call to retirement even if he does start to lose earlier in tournaments.

Posted by scineram 11/19/2009 at 01:12 PM

Best of 3 for ATP is a bunch of pussies.

Posted by Annie (Vamos Heavenly Creature) 11/19/2009 at 01:27 PM

The final is best of three? bummer. c'mon guys, this is the WTF for crying out loud. It should be best of 5 like the majors. wonder why they changed it last year.

Zoilena: I'd never heard the expression "sweetest prison" before and it's just perfect to describe being home with little ones.

Posted by FoT 11/19/2009 at 01:27 PM

The best of 3 is good for the RR round but come on - it's the finals the YEAR END - they need the final to be best of five. Someone can get 'hot' for 2 sets and beat you. But like the slams - we need this year-end final to be best of 5. Oh well.

Like someone else said - come hell or high water - I don't care what he has to do - I just want Roger to win this thing!

Posted by aussiemarg [Madame President in Comma Rehab for 2009] 11/19/2009 at 01:31 PM

Morning Everyone,

Sigh! Well I see I will be getting up before the Sparrows again with the YEC being in London.

At least the DC being in Spain is more time friendly to me

Bring on Aussie Summer of Tennis I say lol! though beware it is going to be a long,hot Summer here in Oz.

Posted by beth 11/19/2009 at 01:31 PM

did not realize that this final was still best of 5
anyway - it will be interesting, but I am not that concerned about it
My prediction is that Djokovic and Murray will be the finalists

Djokovic because of his recent stellar play and Murray , who will be fired up and inspired,in front of the London crowd.

However, my sentimental favorite for this week is going to be Verdasco . The experts give him no credit as he literally backed into the event. His best tennis was earlier in the season and he still has Davis cup to play for ( That is why I am not picking Nadal ,My gut tells me his focus will be winning the cup for Spain , this time around )


Vamos Hott Sauce ! Minion , FTW!!!!
:)

Posted by beth 11/19/2009 at 01:32 PM

wait - sorry , misread - the final is best of 3
shocked - I think this one should be best of 5 , too

Posted by Tigress 11/19/2009 at 01:34 PM

Went to Tignor's thread and read his typically lamentable and lame predictions.

Steve's analysis is brilliant, as usual. His predictions are predictably dismal, as usual. Did anyone here think for a moment he wasn't going to pick his punchless underachieving favorite, Murray, over Federer to make the Final? Of course not. At least my confidence in a Fed win has gone up a notch now, and confidence that he'll make the Final has gone up two notches.

Give him an ounce of credit for putting Nole in the Final, but that wasn't exactly a particularly brave or difficult call.

I'm picking a Federer-Djokovic Final. Result is a toss-up, really. So i tossed my lucky coin, which came up Heads. Heads rhymes with 'Fed's'. So I'm picking Roger over Nole, by a microscopic 53% to 47%.

Posted by aussiemarg [Madame President in Comma Rehab for 2009] 11/19/2009 at 01:34 PM

Beth lol! I love your sentiment

Jenn came on late yesterday as wellspoke to her breifly,gee Cameron is 3 months old? where has the time gone hey.

Posted by aussiemarg [Madame President in Comma Rehab for 2009] 11/19/2009 at 01:36 PM

I have always said it should be the Best of 5 sets,this is the final of the year

I would also like to see every Master Series final be the best of 5 also

Posted by beth 11/19/2009 at 01:36 PM

AM - sorry I missed her :(
and yes, Cam is 3 months old and just adorable
He is really just growing and changing so fast
He smiles a lot now - and is just so cute

Posted by aussiemarg [Madame President in Comma Rehab for 2009] 11/19/2009 at 01:39 PM

Ok I am going o/t for just a moment cause I am soo proud

Brin got her final results,she has been studying at uni for a degree in International Media

she received 3 high distinctions and 2 dstinctions in her final year.I am soooooooooooooooooooooo proud.

Posted by Arun 11/19/2009 at 01:41 PM

Congrats to you and your daughter, AM.

Posted by beth 11/19/2009 at 01:41 PM

Hooray for Briony! That is great
I know you are so proud , AM

Posted by Alexis 11/19/2009 at 01:43 PM

I totally agree about the YEC final match should be Best-of-5. I was totally ticked when they changed it. All the TMS used to be Best-of-5 finals, but the Rome masterpiece between Fed and Rafa changed that. I think IW and Miami remained Best-of-5 for one more year, but then they too changed. But the YEC is just that - the championship! And this tourney is supposed to be up there with a GS - the final should be Best-of-5.

Posted by aussiemarg [Madame President in Comma Rehab for 2009] 11/19/2009 at 01:45 PM

Thanks guys she topped her class at uni,though she dosent get her cap etc until next year.

She says Yipee no more study I have been at school forever

yes the poor old thing is 23 lol!

Posted by SwissMaestro 11/19/2009 at 01:48 PM

It is incredible how Bodo manages to make an interesting subject SOOOO BOOOOOOOORING!

Posted by Alexis 11/19/2009 at 01:52 PM

As you say, Pete.... Fed is a LONG WAY OFF from being in a comparable position to Sampras (when he was getting hounded about retirement). But honestly, can you blame the press? Sampras hadn't won a title in 2 years and, like you say, he went out very early in the two previous majors prior to his final GS title.

Fed is on a 22-consecutive-semi-finals-at-GS streak. And he's been in the last 17 of 18 GS finals! Anyone who honestly thinks the guy should retire is smoking something. He's 5-7 years older than the rest of the Top 5 yet HE'S THE ONE who was in every GS final this year.

Obviously I would love to see Fed play well this week, secure the YE#1 and hopefully win the title... but like you also say, he has absolutely nothing to prove to anyone. Beat Muzza? Yeah, it would be nice, sure. But he doesn't need to beat Muzza or anyone else.

I found your "and those fires are going to be ignited every time he plays a tournament and fails to win it" statement interesting but hardly surprising. Fed is expected to win every tournament he plays. Even now. I can't think of any other top player who has ever had to live with that kind of expectation...ever. Including Mr. Sampras.

Posted by VC 11/19/2009 at 01:52 PM

This tournament is so tough to pick as the field is so levelized. No pesky early rounds to wear out the likes of Murray and Djokovic, no random big hitters or bogey players to negotiate before facing the top players. You just have to be bang on form from beginning to end.

Posted by Tigress 11/19/2009 at 01:52 PM

It's so unfortunate they went to Best of 3 Finals. This tournament should be a Quasi-Major, bigger than anything except the Grand Slams. Previously it was the only event besides Grand Slams and Davis Cup with a 3-of-5 format. Now they've reduced it to rinky-dink 2-of-3 Masters finals level. By doing this they've sacrificed some of the status and prestige of this championship.

If anything, they should have moved the other way. 2 of 3 matches are fine for RR, but BOTH the semifinals and Final should be 3 of 5, with a day off in between when they could play the Doubles. Too bad. Some "championship".

Posted by sokol 11/19/2009 at 01:54 PM

Congrats to you and your daughter, AM. Great achievement for Briony!

Posted by aussiemarg [Madame President in Comma Rehab for 2009] 11/19/2009 at 01:56 PM

Well this is the cream of the cream so to speak

The top eight players in a round robin play off

Regardless of injury and strugglind to find form with some of the players

No doubt each player will give their best

This is their final show down.

Posted by jewell - Just say no to Fedal wars... 11/19/2009 at 01:57 PM

*waves hello*

Driving by to say YAY Briony!

and, thoughtful post, Pete. :)

Posted by aussiemarg [Madame President in Comma Rehab for 2009] 11/19/2009 at 01:57 PM

Thanks Sokol,also sorry about Russia in the world cup play offs.

Posted by VC 11/19/2009 at 01:59 PM

Surprised no one has pointed this out yet...

*Sampras came into that match having been to just two finals since July of 2000, and he didn't win either of them*

Sampras made 6 ATP finals between July 2000 and US Open F 2002 (I assume that is what Pete means by "that match") (US Open 2000, Indian Wells 2001, Los Angeles 2001, Long Island 2001, US Open 2001, US Open 2001, Houston 2002). He didn't win any of them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Sampras_career_statistics

Posted by omess 11/19/2009 at 02:00 PM

@master ace

We don't know yet who is playing who on tuesday. The Sunday winners will play each other on Tuesday.It is the samething for the doubles. For example: If Murray wins, he will play the winner of Federer/Verdasco on tuesday. That's what they did the last few years

Posted by Alexis 11/19/2009 at 02:02 PM

Even though I prefer Best-of-5 matches period, I totally understand what every tournament can't be that. And obviously for tourneys where the guys every day, Best-of-5 is asking alot. But I still wish the schedule could change to allow a Best-of-5 final in all TMS. You can do that for IW and Miami. But you can't do that between Canada and Cincy. And because the clay-to-grass stretch is already condensed... I get why they had to change the Rome final after what happened in 2006 with Fed and Rafa.

BUT, there is absolutely no reason why the YEC final cannot be Best-of-5. It absolutely should be. For all we know, it probably had to do with TV rights and such. Obviously in a Best-of-5 deal, there is no way for the broadcasters to have any idea how long the match might actually go.

Posted by greenhopper 11/19/2009 at 02:02 PM

VC, I think Pete meant Slam finals.

Yay, AM. Those are fabulous results.

Posted by Lynne (Rafalite) 11/19/2009 at 02:02 PM

Hey, Aussiemarg,

Many congratulations to Briony. Take a bow for having such a clever 'little one.'

Posted by Alexis 11/19/2009 at 02:03 PM

"where the guys every day".... meant "where the guys PLAY every day"

Posted by Master Ace 11/19/2009 at 02:04 PM

OMess,
I re-thought about the schedule from Tuesday to Friday and will put a caveat subject to change. Thanks.

Posted by zenggi 11/19/2009 at 02:05 PM

Just back home and on my way out for a boring business dinner.

AM,

Congratulations on Briony's achievement!. These are the occassions a mother lives for :).

Counting the days until Sunday....

Posted by Annie (Vamos Heavenly Creature) 11/19/2009 at 02:05 PM

AM; great news about Briony! Congratulations to her! and to you :)

Posted by Alexis 11/19/2009 at 02:07 PM

And the point is to win sets at the YEC. If you are going to lose a match, lose it in three, not two sets.

Posted by VC 11/19/2009 at 02:08 PM

greenhopper : I considered that, yes, I suppose that's what he meant considering Sampras was basically focusing on Slams towards the end.

Posted by aussiemarg [Madame President in Comma Rehab for 2009] 11/19/2009 at 02:09 PM

Thanks guys

She gets her brains from her dad,she gets her looks from my side of the family lol!

Posted by Alexis 11/19/2009 at 02:10 PM

From a twitter not too long ago:

nicklester: back from an afternoon at queens,federer looking his usual self hitting with soderling for an hour,Djokovic and Del Potro on the next court.

Posted by Master Ace 11/19/2009 at 02:10 PM

Aussiemarg,
Congratulations on Briony's achievements.

Posted by Vie 11/19/2009 at 02:12 PM

Conflagration? He's already covered in smoke.

Posted by Vie 11/19/2009 at 02:14 PM

What did Briony do?
Congrats!

Posted by aussiemarg [Madame President in Comma Rehab for 2009] 11/19/2009 at 02:15 PM

Thanks MA.

Posted by sokol 11/19/2009 at 02:16 PM

thanks, AM, I guess it was not to be... maybe next time, too bad eill have to wait another 4 years... at least I can enjoy the Worls Cup without frazzling now :-)

Posted by Tigress 11/19/2009 at 02:16 PM

This 2-of-3 match formatting is like a spreading disease in Men's tennis. First they reduced and cheapened the Masters Finals. Then last year Tour Final (Masters Cup or whatever) eliminated 3-of-5 matches when they should have INCREASED them to the semifinals.

I've heard rumblings for several years from some misguided persons (including some journalists) that the early round matches in Grand Slams should be reduced to 2-of-3. This would be the penultimate travesty. I think the pre-1973 Australian Open had this rinky-dink format, at least for awhile.

Has anyone else heard recent suggestions of this horrible idea, or know anything about how serious it might become in the coming years?

Posted by sokol 11/19/2009 at 02:17 PM

"eill"="will"

Posted by Vie 11/19/2009 at 02:19 PM

Oh, I read back, AM. Congrats on your daughter's hard work and distinctions earned. When is graduation in Australia?

Posted by sokol 11/19/2009 at 02:19 PM

Did anyone heard about Serena? Have they reached a decision? I thought they said they'll announce the decision in 2 weeks, how long have it been since then?

Posted by sokol 11/19/2009 at 02:20 PM

"Did anyone heard"="Did anyone her" of course *shakes head*

Posted by sokol 11/19/2009 at 02:21 PM

"Did anyone her"="Did anyone hear"

Posted by Bhai Mirzai 11/19/2009 at 02:23 PM

"but he (Murray) won their four previous meetings, including a 7-5 in-the-third battle at the last YEC. Federer is coming into the match trailing a ... a surprising second-round collapse against Julien Benneteau in Paris."

Last year YEC ... We now know that Federer had back problems and still he was able to paly a very close match against Murray. And nowhere did I read that the loss to Benneteau was a collapse; it was just that JB played the match of his life. Things happen.

We will see, no:-)

Posted by aussiemarg [Madame President in Comma Rehab for 2009] 11/19/2009 at 02:24 PM

Vie Thanks,not until May I think next year.Though she is going over seas.I told her she has to be back in time.She could have done a post grad degree for a year but what they were offering she felt it would not really help her.

Posted by Vie 11/19/2009 at 02:26 PM

I had thought too that WTF should be 5-set, considering the points involved (which I think is too much). But then, it is end of long season, so it is appropriate that they should be winding down and not be put to the grease mill (is that right). They are working overtime already.

Posted by Alexis 11/19/2009 at 02:28 PM

Tigress, I had heard some journalists talk about making early round GS matches be Best-of-3 sets for men, but I don't think that will EVER happen. Personally I would love to see the womens final be Best-of-5 sets in a GS.

Posted by Master Ace 11/19/2009 at 02:31 PM

Sokol,
No word on Serena from the ITF and it has been almost 2 weeks since she won Doha. She is scheduled to play an exo against Caroline in Barbados next week(forgot date).

"I've heard rumblings for several years from some misguided persons (including some journalists) that the early round matches in Grand Slams should be reduced to 2-of-3. "

Tigress,
Heard that also briefly and if they did that, it would cheapen the Slams for the ATP as they have eliminated best of 5 finals in all ATP tournaments that was started after the 2006 Rome final b/w a Spainard and a Swiss and one of EdV, ATP President at that time, objectives that may came from listening to the players. ATP SF and F in TMC needs to be 5 sets and all 8 mandatory Masters(Monte Carlo is a 500 event in this scheme despite giving pts on the 1000 pt scale) F needs to be 5 sets. Reason I say Masters F needs to be 5 set is the top players get byes into the next round if they are in consecutive weeks(like Canada/Cincinnati).

Posted by greenhopper 11/19/2009 at 02:32 PM

With a day off in between, it would make a lot of sense to get rid of the no-ad and match tie-break scoring systems as well. But then am sure they put a lot of thought into naming this event "WTF".

Posted by sokol 11/19/2009 at 02:32 PM

thanks, MA

Posted by Master Ace 11/19/2009 at 02:33 PM

Alexis,
I can definitely go for the WTA playing a best of 5 in a Slam final as they did years ago in their season ending championships for a while. This may force some WTA players to work a little more on fitness and their overall game.

Posted by adicecream 11/19/2009 at 02:34 PM

Aussie Marg, wonderful! Isn't it great to have children to be proud of?

I think some others are cranky today so I'm going to wander away again.

Posted by Master Ace 11/19/2009 at 02:36 PM

Greenhopper,
On the doubles scoring, I prefer the normal way of scoring but they did not ask you or me. Now, doubles needs to change their scoring in the offseason. Here is my proposal if it is not the normal way of scoring:

(a) Either have no-ad scoring but eliminate the supertiebreak
or
(b) Either have a supertiebreak but eliminate the no-ad scoring.

Posted by aussiemarg [Madame President in Comma Rehab for 2009] 11/19/2009 at 02:39 PM

adciecream Yes it is,though as parents regardless of what our kids achieve in their lives,I think the most important thing is for them to be happy in whatever they choose to do.

Posted by aussiemarg [Madame President in Comma Rehab for 2009] 11/19/2009 at 02:43 PM

There has always been grumblings towards the woman in a way that they dont play for the best of 5,cause the prize money has been increased especially where the Slams are concerned.I would like to see firstly in Slams the woman play best of 5 sets.I know people are going to whinge theat womans tennis is boring,though it might shut up many who dont agree with the prize money woman receive in the slams

Thank goodness for Billie Jean King!!!.

Posted by Vie 11/19/2009 at 02:48 PM

AM, what qualities your daughter must have to choose international and media. That's quite a scope. She seems also lucky with parents who supported her.

Posted by Vie 11/19/2009 at 02:53 PM

Ferrero named reserve for Spain in Davis Cup final against Czech Republic
http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5gzBwX3p46X2FJLrCGUkovgPeVLZw

Posted by aussiemarg [Madame President in Comma Rehab for 2009] 11/19/2009 at 02:54 PM

Vie Thanks,I think all parents support their kids in whatever they do in their lives.

Posted by greenhopper 11/19/2009 at 02:59 PM

That sounds good, MA. Their only purpose in introducing this system seems to be so the doubles guys would clear the field soon for singles, and possibly accomodate during unfortunate weather interruptions. Having both looks to me like a bit of an over kill.

They could also do a trial based streaming of these matches on tennistv, where we'd pay separetely for doubles. I know I'd pay, and am sure the MS tournies will get a few others to sign up.

Posted by Vie 11/19/2009 at 03:00 PM

AM, sure. I was just expressing my delight at seeing the obvious evidence you presented.

Posted by BrooklynNY 11/19/2009 at 03:07 PM

Serena said she is open for best of 5 for the women. But that could just be arrogance/confidence talking.

I think the 2/3 format is disappointing because any player can get hot, or not get warm at all, and before you know it, the match is over.

Or you have players like Murray (Oh, how I love murray lol) that will play around for 2 sets forcing you into error, and beat you.
Murray will not be beating top players in 3/5 sets hitting running passing shots, and waiting for the other person to miss.

Posted by JohnC 11/19/2009 at 03:08 PM

From memory, I don't think women have played best-of-five since the Virginia Slims tournament, and it's not clear to me that many of today's players would survive the experience. (Or many of the fans, for that matter.)

Wouldn't be a problem, except for the quite wrong-headed decision to equalize prize money. Since the surplus from majors goes to the national tennis federations, that money should be going to women's tennis development, not into the pockets of players who are putting in fewer hours at the office than the men.

Equal pay, for equal work!

Posted by arbiter 11/19/2009 at 03:11 PM

Favourite #1 = Murray

Novak cannot be the favourite for obvious reasons: Murray plays at home, and Novak has too high mileage for the last couple of months. Also, Murray was in great form, just unlucky with scheduling, so he lost to in-form Stepanek.

Posted by Lynne (Rafalite) 11/19/2009 at 03:13 PM

I'm afraid that I would be very worried about injuries to the players if the Masters play 5 sets. Things have been bad enough towards the end of this year as it is.

Posted by sokol 11/19/2009 at 03:15 PM

Marat Safin is one of the candidates for vice-president of Olympic Committe of Russia, Taprishev said yesterday in the interview and he's pretty confident about his chances :-)... The election will happen December 17 (maybe that's why Tarpi kept saying that we'll find out in December what Marat is going to do next)

hard to imagine Marat doing some "serious" (organized) work like that :-) maybe they just want to use him as a face of Russian sport...

I'm not sure how true it is, I read it on one of the forums from a person who watched Shamil's interview...

Posted by Master Ace 11/19/2009 at 03:15 PM

"I know people are going to whinge theat womans tennis is boring,though it might shut up many who dont agree with the prize money woman receive in the slams"

Aussiemarg,
Yes, that would quiet the critics on the equal prize money for the winner if they play best of 5 final. Some best of 5 ATP matches can be boring at times. As I posted earlier, a best of 5 Slam final would make players work on their fitness as we see lot of players asking for a MTO and they are playing best of 3 sets AND they can work on other aspects of their games. Many posters commented that a player can get hot for 2 sets.

Posted by JohnC 11/19/2009 at 03:21 PM

I have no problem with the men playing 2/3 in MS, particularly, as Lynne says, when you consider the injury issue. But I agree with Tigress that the semis and finals of the YEC should be 3/5. It is the official end of the season, after all. I suspect pressure from the television people has something to do with the move to the shorter format.

Posted by BrooklynNY 11/19/2009 at 03:25 PM

Arbiter: I think its silly to credit Murrays loss to Stepanek as a scheduling problem.
He almost lost to James Blake the night before, and honestly, should have if Blake didn't miss a key forehand in the 3rd set tiebreak....

I would credit that loss more to the fact that Blake had him running all over. As did Stepanek. You can't win every match by simply running around like a dog, especially on back to back days.

Posted by SimonSays 11/19/2009 at 03:28 PM

OMG IM FED UP WITH YOUR FEDERER LOVE STORIES BODO!!!!!! AAAAAAAAAAA

Posted by Lynne (Rafalite) 11/19/2009 at 03:32 PM

Poor Pete, he can't seem to please anyone these days. I think he does a fine job and I'm not impressed when some see fit to shout at him.

Posted by TripleF-FedFanForever 11/19/2009 at 03:38 PM

MasterAce
The schedule you posted, thank you.
Is the time EST for all?

Posted by TripleF-FedFanForever 11/19/2009 at 03:43 PM

Guys
Stop hollerin'
KAD or otherwise, here is a guy who was in 4 GS finals and won 2 this year. The TMF. And he is been doing that, more or less, for 6 years now. Non stop.

And if a tennis writer doesn't deal with this, celebrate this...what else one's supposed to do? Write about Tommy Haas' impending engagement?

To be fair, Pete wrote about Nole, DP and Rafa, heck, even about Davy but there's only so much one can do when everyone is amidst this phenomenon called Federer. Homages done 20 years from now (read Borg or Poncho) don't add up guys. It is the here and now. Besides, this is the internet era!

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