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« The Great Awakening Travelin' Man »
Goodbye, Monsieur Garros?
Posted 11/04/2009 @ 12 :31 PM

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by Pete Bodo

Mornin'. All eyes are shifting toward Paris as we approach the final high-value tournament of the year, the BNP Paribas Masters, known more colloquially as Paris Bercy.

As indifferent as I've sometimes been, at least in some contexts, to the fall (mostly) indoor season, I've got to tip my hat to this long-lived event. Back when tennis pros valued any opportunity to play for significant prize-money, especially at times of year when the outdoor tennis actions is slow, Bercy was a talent magnet, and over the years the promoters managed to grow it into a noteworthy event.

Bercy wasn't just a fun indoor tournament; it was the fall indoor event (much like the US Pro Indoors, in Philadelphia, was the winter indoor event in the US). As the ATP flourished and the pro game became more of a seller's market, Bercy suffered. The quality of the field declined, and those who did show up often found it difficult to muster the energy and urgency to play their A games in Paris in somber November. Tomas Berdych, David Nalbandian and Sebastian Grosjean have won the prestigious title in recent years; Roger Federer, Rafael Nadal, Novak Djokovic and Andy Roddick have not.

But Paris Bercy has survived the epidemic of top-player fatigue and gotten over the ultimate hump for every tennis tournament promoter. It's evolved into an event that is less reliant on the participation and performance of the very top stars than on the support of fans and corporate sponsors. In other words, Bercy  - like the handful of other top drawer events - is bigger than any of the players who may or may not play it, or even than any combination of said  players.

However, judging by the news today, Bercy as we know it may not have much longer to go. The good news is that it may be transformed into something better. It seems that the tournament promoter, the FFT (French Federation of Tennis, the French ITF affiliate) is eyeing moving the event to Roland Garros.

That's right. I suggest you bring that goofy "stadium blanket" that zips up to wrap you in a cacoon for enduring November weather in a sports stadium.

Well, not exactly. Bercy would be moved to Roland Garros if the mayor's office in Paris approves the FFT's plans to build a new stadium at the traditional Roland Garros grounds (see photo above). Alternatively, the FFT also has drawn up specs for adding the hot new Grand Slam accessory to the present Court Centrale, a retractable roof (photo below). The main stumbling block to either plan is opposition from green groups and local residents in the fashionable Boulogne neighborhood where Roland Garros sits, surrounded by elegant suburban homes on chestnut-tree lined streets. You can read the details here.

I haven't seen the blueprints for the new, stand-alone stadium, but I have seen the preliminary drawings for the retractable roof. It will be interesting to see the politics in Paris play out, because the opponents of both proposed renovations are no dummies. While they may not have a problem with the idea of a roof that can be closed in the event of rain, they also know that a retractable roof (and the price tag it will carry) may foretell a shift to a split-session format during Roland Garros. And the neighbors probably don't want to deal with a more or less 24/7 tennis event lasting two weeks. Frankly, the traffic issues that seem inevitable under a two-session program are nothing to scoff at. 

Because the battle lines are so firmly drawn, I imagine that the FFT knows it won't get what it wants, and has done what any good negotiator would - position his hopes as a second or third option. That is, the FFT may want a retractable roof badly enough to insist that what it really wants is a new stadium, suitable for year-round play. That way, if the stadium idea is shot down, the FFT can appeal to the good nature of its opponents and hope to get approval for the retractable roof as a compromise measure - and the first important step down what the opposition must see as a slippery slope to an imperial expansion of Roland Garros.

But look at it this way: It wouldn't be hard for the city of Paris to insist, and legally forbid, split sessions under a sliding roof. Wimbledon, after all, has promised that it will never go to a split-session format despite having a roof with adequate lighting for it.

87221010 The FFT is also threatening to abandon Roland Garros entirely, should neither of its proposals win approval. In some ways, this would be a logical step despite the inevitable pain and outcry such a break with tradition would trigger. Roland Garros, despite its size and the significant, wonderfully-executed upgrades of recent years, is in the same position the West Side Tennis Club (formerly the home of the US Open) and Kooyong (the tennis club that hosted the Australian Open before the event moved to Melbourne Park) were in 15 or 20 years ago, and Wimbledon remains in today. All three of those Grand Slam events were played in an exclusive club in the suburban neighborhood of a metropolis. Ironically, Roland Garros is the only major that didn't strike its roots in a private club.

But that oddity is incidental; Roland Garros may just as well be a private tennis club. It has a similar footprint and relationship to the neighborhood where it exists. Maybe it isn't such a crazy idea to move the event (there goes the FFT's aggressive, somewhat irritating drive to "brand" its major as Roland Garros, rather than the French Open). By doing so, the French would merely be following the trail broken by the USTA when it moved to the National Tennis Center, and Tennis Australia when it re-located in Flinder's (now Melbourne) Park.

The Roland Garros site is historic. But it's become increasingly crowded, and while that's added to the allure of the event, it's also true that the US and Australian Opens have really flourished after moving to larger, public spaces. The move from Kooyong absolutely saved the Australian Open from becoming an irrelevant major. Only nostalgic contrarians believe that the US Open was more fun and offered better spectator value back when it was held at the West Side Tennis Club. Both events have prospered, spectacularly, in their newest homes.

Somehow, moving Roland Garros seems like heresy - wasn't it just yesterday that the FFT built the Bullring, and christened the new, spectacular Court Suzanne Lenglen?  It would seem both a shame and a waste to abandon those familiar landmarks. But our yesterdays run together, and time passes faster than we think. Tennis's track record of looking to the future, at least as far as the Grand Slam events are concerned, has been wise and productive.

Maybe moving Roland Garros isn't such a bad idea after all.

PS - I suggest you stay on-topic at this post for a few hours before you drift off into general chatter about today's tennis, or other topics.

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Going to EuroDisney -- Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck are up for a wild card, I'm sure Goofy will be a direct entry.

I'll be at Bercy again this year. It used to be a huge event, but has declined a bit with the former Madrid indoor event getting Masters Status and especially with the Masters Cup being played in Shanghai -- those already qualified would suffer from the China Syndrom.

Anyway, if the best players have not won it in the past years it's not because of a decrease in quality. When Nalbandian won, he would beat the crap out of anyone alive in this planet, such was his stratospheric level of play (he beat both Federer and Nadal) -- and the same happened with Jo-Wilfried Tsonga last year...

Let's hope the Masters Cup move to London will re-energize the field in Paris...

first?

I dont know if Wimby should also be moved by that argument? then maybe we will get play on the first sunday! :)

where did my post go? :(

How about a third option--keep the major at Roland Garros but return the name of the championships to the French Open? Enough with RG already! Besides, it seems to mash slam up against the RF brand.

While my life is in a constant state of flux, I find changes to the Slam venues quite unsettling. I haven't been to the French since the mid-90s, and at that point, I remember thinking how remarkably uncrowded and mellow it was. It was such a contrast to Flushing - but even the Flushing of, say, 1996 is a different being entirely to 2009.

I didn't even recognize the US Open this year, when at one time I was familiar with every nook and cranny of the entire National Tennis Center.

I disagree with the idea that the US Open has "flourished" at the larger venue. Most day sessions at Ashe play to empty seats, since anyone who actually cares about seeing tennis (rather than just seeing stars) abandons their seats in the main stadium to catch matches on outer courts. And because the outer courts draw people with grounds passes as well as people with main-stadium tickets - in contrast to other Slams, where people with tickets to the main stadia tend to stay there for most of the day - it's impossible to get into the outside courts. It is not an exaggeration to say that people were routinely waiting 1-1 1/2 hours to get to see outer-court matches the first week of the US Open this year, whereas I've never waited more than 40 minutes to get into an outer court at any other Slam (including Roland Garros). While I agree that the Aus Open has flourished in its new digs, to say the same about the US Open is simply inaccurate.

I'm confused...so if this plan goes through, both the FO and Bercy events would be played at Roland Garros? Wouldn't this dilute the value of both events, especially the FO?

Was the Slam in Paris named "The French Open" before? When did the name change. I remember always calling it the 'French Open' when I was growing up...then I had a 8-year hiatus from tennis and it was then referred to as Roland Garros. But did the title actually change or is it just that I was unaware of what the real name was?

I agree with Steve on that. It would certainly dilute the FO.

An off topic comment ... this site keeps redirecting me to a yellow pages web site, and it is driving me nuts! this is the kind of thing that could stop me from visiting this site, which I do daily! who do I complain to? it happens from the home page and from the live results page (which was actually blacklisted not too long ago by symantec)

I have an even better idea - let's move the FO and the Bercy Masters Tournament out of France altogether - and into a country and city where the fans actually APPRECIATE the tennis players?

"and into a country and city where the fans actually APPRECIATE the tennis players?"

Uh... did you see the FO final this year? I can't remember the last time I saw that much love for a tennis player. Seems to me that the Parisian fans are pretty passionate about tennis and their favorite players.

Where is everybody?

Jamaica Karen,
Since Pete has requested for this to be on topic for a while, TWibe is "talking" at Post-It Note.

I don't get this. By moving the Paris indoors to RG, does that mean that the players would go from hard court at the US Open and Shanghai, to clay for one week and then back to hard court for the World Tour finals? Doesn't make any sense to me.

Anierin: i'm getting the same thing and i've complained here just like you did. don't know if anyone's listening. we could send a message via the "contact" tab.

omg, aneirin, i totally botched your name. sorry :(

confusion reigns, silentP.
good luck figuring out what the hail is going on...

There are a handful of hardcourts near Stade Roland Garros, maybe they can get covered with a roof, surrounded by lounge lighting, disco balls, etc. and voila- Bercy in the 'burbs!

haha, oh okay, so the french crowds love ROGER, but that's about it. I think they're horrible too, mr.rick.

"Seems to me that the Parisian fans are pretty passionate about tennis and their favorite players."

Yes, and that's exactly my point, and they treat their NON-FAVORITE players, players both male and female, who are #1 in the world and/or have won numerous grand slams, with utter contempt.

It's childish and stupid and embarassing. Is their anyone in Paris over the age of 12???

geez i wish some rafa fans could just accept the fact that the French fans dont really like Nadal's backboard style of play and somehwhat aggressive court demeanor, thats just how it is...its not a mystery really who cares anyway?

I wasn't trying to start anything, but to say that parisian fans don't appreciate tennis players is wrong. They are pretty passionate and can be downright rough on players they don't necessarily like, but you can't make a global statement that they don't appreciate ANY tennis players. And just because they got behind Soderling instead of Rafa in that 4th round, doesn't mean they don't like Rafa. The British fans got behind Roddick in the Wimbledon final, and the US fans got behind Del Potro in the USO final. Sometimes fans just want to see someone else win. The French fans are no different.

The French Open wouldn't be the French Open without the hallowed clay of Roland Garros.

That said, even Wimbledon was moved once: from Worple Road to Church Road in 1922!

"I have an even better idea - let's move the FO and the Bercy Masters Tournament out of France altogether - and into a country and city where the fans actually APPRECIATE the tennis players?"

I hate to nitpick typos, but I think you forgot to include 'that I appreciate' at the end of that sentence.

I don't think French fans are much different than tennis fans anywhere else, really. A fickle lot, wherever you find them.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if they totally supported Rafa this year at RG. Sure Fed was their favorite in 09 but that was then. And now he HAS his FO win, so no doubt the fans will be behind someone new...or new again, like Rafa. Remember how in 08 the US Open fans were SO pulling for Fed, (after all the Americans were out anyway.), and this year they were much more in the Ent's camp. I think it has much less to do with like/dislike of any individual player and more to do with mood swings played out on a large scale.

Tim - sheesh, its not just Nadal that the French fans treat poorly; they also boo the Williams sisters all the time and other players who chose not to appear on court wearing a Lacoste cardigan.

and Grant that goes for you, too, smart a$%!!!

(and it's too bad the French don't appreciate the Spanish players style of play otherwise maybe they would also have two players going to the London Final instead of NONE!)

(boy am I throwing out the red meat today or what?!!!)

I do think the French fans are more likely to boo players they don't care for, more than any other country. Just my opinion.

I agree CL. General fans (who don't have a personal favorite) are fickle. Sometimes they like the underdog. At the USO in '08, Fed was considered an 'underdog' and the fans really got behind him even though he was the 4-time defending champion! At Wimbledon this year, the fans got behind Roddick because the poor guy had been in the W finals a few times and had never won. He'll be a big sentimental favorite in 2010!

When it comes to top players being 'upset'... it kind of depends. Fans want to see competitive matches, so often they'll cheer for the opponent because they want a longer match. But then when it comes down to the wire... alot of times they'll get back behind the favorite. But not always. I was not surprised that the fans got behind Roddick and Del Potro in the W and USO finals. And I was not surprised that the fans got behind Soderling against Rafa.

I agree, Lynne. I do think the fans at RG are more vocal than the other GS in who they love or hate. Their love or hate might be more passionate, but I don't think it is any more personal.

I don't know that the French fans don't appreciate the 'Spanish' style of play, but the fact is... the French have their preeminent tournament on a surface that rewards a grinding style. For a country that seems to prefer a more 'stylish' way, they certainly chose the wrong surface to encourage it, ha!

"(and it's too bad the French don't appreciate the Spanish players style of play otherwise maybe they would also have two players going to the London Final instead of NONE!)"

This seems to suggest that the French appreciate their own players. I'm not sure that's the case (except when they win, obviously. So never.).

"I do think the French fans are more likely to boo players they don't care for, more than any other country. Just my opinion."

They also seem to enjoy picking a reason to not care for a player at random in the middle of a match.

In the US, the tournament is generally - and by non-tennis people - referred to as The French Open, but I have never seen it called anything but Roland Garros outside the US. I don't even know what it's called in Britain. But what is called "Wimbledon" in the States is, I believe, referred to as "The Championships" locally.

I was very disillusioned this year in New York, and from now on I think I'll focus on tournaments no larger than Indian Wells, which offers perhaps the perfect tennis spectator experience. Still dying to go to Estoril, but I got such great treatment in Belgrade.

well, Alexia, when fans are chanting and screaming "Nadal is Dead", "Kill him", well, I consider that "personal."

The French fans can be very tough. They boo their own players (Mauresmo is a wreck there), they boo perfectly reasonable challenges, they annoy fans like crazy when they turn against their player. They don't seem too keen on Spanish players, both for their style of play and for historical reasons.

But they are also very knowledgable, passionnate and whole hearted in their loves. Remember how they took to Kuerten and how he responded with a heart on the court - that was lovely to see.

I also have to say that I love Roland Garros and hope that the French Open remains there. I also love the clay courts.

"The French fans can be very tough. They boo their own players (Mauresmo is a wreck there), they boo perfectly reasonable challenges, they annoy fans like crazy when they turn against their player. They don't seem too keen on Spanish players, both for their style of play and for historical reasons."

So, someone, tell me again why it is we have chosen to place TWO of tennis' most important tournaments in a city whose fans are so high maintance and fickle that even their own players hate being there?

Mr. Rick... are you sure that wasn't Djokovic's mother?

Well, i certainly hope they dont change the venue, as Roland Garros is the place where everybody here in Spain gets in touch with tennis.
As for the name change that seems to be irritating to Pete, i must say i'm surprised. Maybe it's an American thing. Here in Spain, the tournament has ALWAYS been known as Roland Garros, and we like it that way (even though the French fans dont seem to love our players).
I guess it's just a try by the organizers to put pressure on the city to get what they want, whether it's a new stadium or a retractable roof, and it wont go farther than that. In my opinion, it would be unfortunate.
And as for the idea that the AO and the USO have flourished after changing their site, i dont know if RG really needs to flourish much more. The tournament seems to be doing pretty well at the moment.

and what's more Mr Rick I am sure they are doing to annoy you personally.
Viva la France!

"This seems to suggest that the French appreciate their own players. I'm not sure that's the case."

LOL Grant

and thus my other comment directly above this one.

Tina,

Your post at 4.58pm is spot on.

Mr Rick, you only quoted half - the downside - of what I said about the french fans. They're also passionate, knowledgable and add hugely to the great experience of being there. And a really great french player should be able to rise above the pressure and win there - they just haven't produced a Nadal, Federer, Agassi etc, who can actually win Slams anywhere at all, not just in Paris. Mauresmo is their one and only, and she only for a short period.

Alexis - no, the hostile French fan behavior towards Rafa during - and after - the match was well documented.

"So, someone, tell me again why it is we have chosen to place TWO of tennis' most important tournaments in a city whose fans are so high maintance and fickle that even their own players hate being there?"

I can see moving Bercy elsewhere, but moving a major in this day and age is tricky. Tradition is much of what makes the tournament matter - it's a pretty big risk to mess with that just because the fans can be jerks.

Tina - We call it Wimbledon in Britain too! Also why are you disillusioned with NY? Is it too big?

Must say the RG crowd is incredibly fickle. I don't know if that's true at the other french tournaments. I went to RG in 1996 and watched Agassi v Chris Woodruff. To begin with the crowd was supporting Agassi, but they got bored of him winning so hey switched to Woodruff. They were so enthusaistic about Woodruff that he got the momentum and won the match.

" in a city whose fans are so high maintance and fickle "

Grant, we are NOT moving the USO, so forget it.

"Grant, we are NOT moving the USO, so forget it."

Look, we'll have it at my place, and it'll be GREAT. Just trust me, ok?

I really can't believe they'll move the FO out of RG. Didn't they just do some really nice improvements (love the bullring). gah. I guess I don't do well with change. If it aint broke don't fix it. Is there something wrong with RG?

I didn't notice the fans pulling for JMdP in the open final. Was it that obvious?

I don't think there is anything wrong with RG other than they feel the need for a retractable roof.

Annie, The vibe that I got from that US open final, was that of Roger already having so many slams, and Del Potro not having any, and the crowd didnt want to see Roger win yet another one. And Del Potro was such a HUGE underdog. So it definitely felt like the crowd was rooting for Delpo. I know this is old news and common knowledge, but I wanted to say it anyway.

thanks David. I just didn't pick up on it via tv.

Annie, I mean, can you imagine if Roger won? He and Delpo would have been standing there at the trophy presentation with Roger having 16 Majors and 6 straight US opens and Delpo holding just the plate. It would have felt weird. Like one guy is TOO rich.

haha. yes, i agree it made the tennis year a little more exciting to have a new face. until this year's open, roger or rafa had won 17 of the last 18 majors. I would have like roddick to win at wimby too. that was a disappointment for me. But what a change in fortunes Fed had from February on. On Feb.1st, he's in tears at the AO because he wanted number 14 so badly (remember rafa says to him "you will get the 14") and boy he did that and more! I can't imagine him being able to top 2009 as the best year of his life, no? with the babies especially.

Annie, Rafa may say "nice" things to Roger, but in reality, Rafa would have done everything in his power to keep Roger from getting that 14th major. Personally I get the feeling that Rafa plays with an anger towards Roger.

Did you check out the CNN interview that rafadoc posted earlier today? In it, he speaks glowingly of federer. I don't think he plays with anger towards him but i do think that when they play each other rafa ramps it up and is more intense. he has to be. Fed, on the other hand, according to an S.I. piece I read, is frustrated by nadal's game and basically thinks it's annoying because it's so unpredictable.

The Frenchies who pay for their tickets at Roland Garros are entitled to act as fickle as they want during matches, as long as they aren't entering the court or projecting items onto the court during matches.

The frustration of the Parisian crowds is not, necessarily, surprising:

Number of tennis majors won by French men in the last 50 years. One, maybe two.

Number of tennis majors won by Rafa in last five years. Six.

Rafa, Bruguera, Santana, Ferrero, Gimeno, Costa, Moya keep on crossing the Pyrenees and taking Roland Garros lucre home. With the exception of Noah, the French men suck.

The French crowds react by being idiots. So be it.

David writes:

"Annie, Rafa may say "nice" things to Roger, but in reality, Rafa would have done everything in his power to keep Roger from getting that 14th major. Personally I get the feeling that Rafa plays with an anger towards Roger."

The "would have done everything in his power . . . ." is consistent with Rafa being a professional, as long as Rafa is not engaging in illegal activity. (To date, I have not been provided convincing proof that Rafa acts illegally on the tennis court.)

When Federer was going down 6-0 in the third set during the 2008 Roland Garros final, was he doing everything in his power to stay in the match? If not, why not?

As far as as Rafa "playing with an anger towards Roger," the person, I have yet to read any professional commentator seconding that opinion.

David, do you have any evidence to support this "anger" contention? Or are you just spouting nonsense for which you cannot provide credible support?

Rafa is a rabid competitor. Of course he did everything he could to win the AO final. But he has a heart. When they shake hands at the net rafa says, "are you okay? I'm sorry." But that's sport. And that's why it's so bloody wonderful.

At least Rafa says "nice" things to Roger but Roger doesn't say anything to Rafa, I get the feeling that he plays with an anger towards Rafa because this one has better HtH record and 4 RG titles, besides Wimbledon 08 and another tournaments........

Uncle Toni, you got it!!!!!!!!!

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I don't think Rafa has anger towards the Fed --being uber competitive isn't the same as that being personally directed at an opponent. Hell, in videos from Wimbledon etc --Rafa's not a happy camper to lose tennis-football games to his team...

In his US Open blog, he addressed that he finds it more difficult to play against someone he doesn't like. Actually, he also says it's harder to play friends. Seems to me he likes to play in an almost trance, playing the ball/point, rather than thinking about the person hitting it.


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"At least Rafa says "nice" things to Roger but Roger doesn't say anything to Rafa"

*sigh*

2007 Wimby ceremony:

Roger:"I'm happy with every one I get now before he(Nadal) takes them all"

The herald sun dated Jan 12, 2008:

"Of Federer's contemporary foes, Nadal stands out.

"What Nadal has been able to do at his young age has been phenomenal," Federer said. "I really admire his fighting spirit and the way he comes into every match and just the way he fights and plays.

"It's a unique playing style and I need a rival in some ways as well. I think we have a good contrast, different attitudes and different looks."

He has also called him the "most powerful lefthander tennis will ever know" but i can't find the source right now.

From my Rafa/Federer remote observation in California (do either of these guys ever come out here?), both Rafa and Federer say very complimentary things about the other and act respectfully towards each other.

Neither of these the two gentlemen and gentle men provide fuel for Fedal wars, to the dismay of some.

Well, that Fed said is something but not too often, maybe once, twice.......

To me Rafa has very good feelings and always has something good to say about another player, he says there is not easy opponents because they are great players. That is why he's so competitive, not only when he plays against Fed

And some one´s said that there are no quality players in this era....ja...

You are 100% right,when Nalbandian won,he could play Federer and Nadal 4 times in a row and trash them like he did....

If that guy let go the karting and beer....

It is a wondeful event and I´m sure the top players want it badly...

Hello all!
Saw this?: http://tinyurl.com/ygtxonn

Hola Rg just read that link?

Well a few surprises with some of the answers there

Our former aussies are a hard bunch

Type pad going slow again

Congrats to Sam Stosur with her win in Bali as well

I have been away for a day

Keep it going Sammy!!!!!!!

AM: Hi there. Yeah. They come across as upright and principled fellas. For them playing the game in the best spirit was as important as playing great.

Was watching the Stan-Llubicic match. It was entertaining. Saw the first set and the signal got cut because of heavy rains. Happy for Stan.

Just reading what Rafa has been doing in the last week,TV commercial,playing golf,reveiving the award,doing interviews

Goodness me I hope he remembers training

Paris is only a dew days away.

Bad memories from last year Sigh!

Morning, everyone. :)

"At least Rafa says "nice" things to Roger but Roger doesn't say anything to Rafa, I get the feeling that he plays with an anger towards Rafa."

That's just inaccurate...think I linked to a Federer interview last week where Roger complimented Rafa. Also I think Roger pays every credit in post-match comments when they play.

I sort of feel that the planning things in Paris are just so much politicking. It would be a shame to lose the history, but on the other hand if things are to survive they do need to adapt.

I don't think I've heard anyone in the UK refer to Wimbledon as "The Championships" in anything other than a slightly joky way...mostly it is just Wimbledon.

Just catching up on the mens front

Poor Tsonga,another injury? wrist this time.Hoping it isnt serious.

Well If there is no more Roland Garos,this history will go down the drain as far as I am concerned.

It is my favourite Grand Slam period.

Goran on my radio...

First question - do you think Murray will win a slam? How ready is he? *eyeroll* He thinks Murray is ready for a slam, has the game and mindset, but the expectations might be a bit high - doesn't know which one but possible in the next 12 months. (This is the boilerplate answer to this question when asked by British journalists, no?)

On being asked, why did AA do it? Goran doesn't know, only Agassi knows. It was a long time ago, time goes on. Was it a shame that someone like Agassi could do that? It wasn't fair on other players, especially not those caught and suspended. But only Agassi knows why.

Why do you still want to play, eg at the Aegon Masters? It's fun, he still likes to win, people like to watch good tennis...

That was the end; think there were problems with the phone line.

Just to note - the eyerolling was me. Although I wouldn't be surprised if Goran was doing it too. :)

In the actual tennis (I sort of assumed it was ok to head towards that now; if not and I'm in the wrong place, I apologise) - Aravane Rezai (I love that name) is a break up against Melinda Czink.

And I'm heading out to work. Bye, all. :)

hi people !
miguel, great that you are coming to paris :) any chance that we could get in touch ?

moving RG to disney ? i 'll start to lobbying against the city hall and getting everyone fired up if this options ever gets credit ! stupid in major XXL proportions !

as a long time parisienne, moving RG is an heresy... having the event almost in the city is one of the biggest values, 15mn in the metro and you are in the champ élysées... and 25mn from my own house !
yes the alleys are overcrowded the first 3 days, yes it's hard to get to see the matches because everyone holding a central/big court ticket can queue for the ground pass courts, yes the system to sell tickets is a total wreck for the fan, almost no semis or final tickets if you are not affiliate to the fft... there are plenty of things that make you want ok, do something else.
but once you tried RG, not even the newest top quality courts (aka madrid) can stand the comparision.

and for what ? a bigger stand cover with a roof in the middle of the french subburbs where traffic jam or public transports jam is sometime even worse than the parisian metro ?? i might start to think to attend the USO instead !

i hope the city hall gets his head toghether about it, it would be crazy to lose RG at porte d'auteuil. one of the initial projects was to build just across the stadium in the bois the boulogne, but the only condition was to get the olympics in 2012...
the last option ? wait for the local elections to get a change in the majority of the city hall, but that's not due until 2012...

honestly, rain hasn't been that bad at RG for years, yes there were two or three days fully rainy in the past 5 years, the roof is not the point, the problem is to sell more tickets to adjust the other slams. a bigger stadium is necessary.


Bonjour Marie J

I am shocked to think this could move

I was hoping to go to RG next year,as I had to cancel my trip this year due to family illness.

RG is my fav slam,though if it is moved I would die.

I agree with your thoughts.

Carol, why stir things up with generalisations that are way off the mark? Rafa and Roger are always saying complimentary things about each other and clearly admire each other, and even more so, they've both showed they actually like each other.

Ironically, this is all too much for those who hanker after bygone eras when players were just plain hostile to their rivals, but as a fan of both I think their attude is terrific, so long as they play each other with maximum passion.

So it's tiresome to have to read made up stories about how they don't say nice things about each other.

thots on the race for #1... yes there is a race, the #1 spot is very much up for grabs between Federer and Nadal. Right now there are too many possible outcomes to make any sort of definitive statemnts (eg, Nadal must win Paris, etc...) but it can still be fun to talk about likely outcomes...

At the beginning of this week, Federer is 1010 points ahead of Nadal.

Nadal will have to make that up plus whatever points Federer gets this week. So far (Wed) Federer has 90, taking his lead to 1100...

going out on a limb...
If Federer wins this week, he increases his lead to 1510.
Federer has never made the final in Paris. Nadal made the final once. Say Federer makes the QF and Nadal wins it, that would make
Federer 1010 + 500 + 180 = 1690
Nadal 0 + 1000 = 1000
leaving Nadal 690 behind Federer.
In that scenario, Nadal could still become #1 if he won London and Federer did not make the London final:
Federer 1010 + 500 + 180 + (up to)600 = 2290
Nadal 0 + 1000 + (at least) 1300 = 2300
This means Nadal likely has to win Paris and London to finish #1.

If Federer does not win Basel, Nadal would likely have to win only one of Paris or London and make the final of the other.

However, if Federer does well (say finals) of any two of Basel, Paris, or London, then it will be very difficult for Nadal to finish #1.

I acknowledge that many other scenarious/outcomes are possible, but I think it could a very interesting race to the finish if the chips fall as above...

Elena Demientieva won the 2009 Aces Award for helping promote tennis throughout the world.The award was presented to her at the YEC in Doha.

Interesting calculations, Charles.

very interesting charles.thanks.

hello aussie !

if RG moves it's going to lose many of the fans... and the concept of geting there after the office is going to crash big time.


sorry to be nitpicking about it but peter wanted to keep the comments on topic, as much as charles's calculations are interresting they may belong to another thread ? just sayin'

Glad that Rafa at least has a theoretical chance to become no.1, though I feel that with more slams Roger deserves it more.

I don't see Rafa out-performing Roger in the indoor season, especially since he never did so before. Rafa only made final in Paris ahead of Roger, because Nalby took out Rogi first.

Carol is right, Federer doesn't like to talk to much about Rafa and other players, he likes to talk just about himself

Or, then can I say that Federer won RG because Soderling took out Rafa first?

"Or, then can I say that Federer won RG because Soderling took out Rafa first?"

Yes, please let's not go down that route again. Whoever reaches whatever round deserves it, irrespective of draw.

Gosh even when tennis is being played this place goes on and on with the fedal wars. zzzzzzzz

Thursday Order of Play

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Bali
Shahar Peer defeated Magdalena Rybarikova 6-1,7-6(4)
Aravane Rezai defeated Melinda Czink 6-3,7-5
Maria Jose Martinez Sanchez defeated Agnes Szavay 4-6,6-4,6-0
Anabel Medina Garrigues vs Kimiko Date-Krumm have started

United States at Italy on Saturday at 5 AM
All matches will be televised live on Tennis Channel
Order to be determined at draw

ATP
Basel - Novak Djokovic scheduled to play at 10 AM
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ESPN 360 streaming starts at 10 AM
Tennis Channel will have coverage on a delayed basis from 7 PM to 11 PM

Valencia - Andy Murray scheduled to play at 2 PM
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Melanie Oudin wins Heart Award:

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Bali

Thursday Results
Shahar Peer defeated Magdalena Rybarikova 6-1,7-6(4)
Aravane Rezai defeated Melinda Czink 6-3,7-5
Maria Jose Martinez Sanchez defeated Agnes Szavay 4-6,6-4,6-0
Kimiko Date-Krumm defeated Anabel Medina Garrigues 6-4,6-3

Friday Order of Play
Samantha Stosur vs Maria Jose Martinez Sanchez at 1 AM
Winner advances to the semifinals
Sabine Lisicki vs Melinda Czink
Aravane Rezai won Group D
Marion Bartoli vs Shahar Peer at 5:30 AM
Winner advances to the semifinals
Yanina Wickmayer vs Anabel Medina Garrigues
If Yanina wins one set, she will advance to the semifinals. If Anabel wins in straight sets, this group will be decided by percentage of games won.

Nice for melanie to receive the first ever Heart award.

I think this thread is for general tennis discussions now, per pete's article, above. Otherwise I'm not sure which thread to go to...:)

Looks like the PostIt Note thread is still current with folks posting so i'm off...

Master Ace, you have done it for me once again. I couldn't find any streams except for two unknown [to me] players in a challenger. I never thought to try espn360.

I'm so glad your day job doesn't take 100% of your attention so you can keep the rest of us on track.

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