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In Broad Daylight 07/04/2010 - 2:59 PM

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by Pete Bodo

This time, it required no passing shots fired like small cannons into the deepening gloaming. No desperate second serves that traveled the razor's edge separating those two celebrated Wimbletwins, Triumph and Disaster. No brooding confrontations between fear and courage, both marinated in sweet perspiration that kept them slippery, grasped one moment, gone the next. No flashbulbs bursting like newborn planets in the twilight, and no scaling of the dusty green wall above which the stunned interested parties sat, awaiting the moment: The embrace.

If Rafael Nadal's first singles victory at Wimbledon, in 2008, remains an epic engraved forever on the soul of tournament and those who love it, his second one today was a clinical, almost antiseptic act of reaffirmation. Why go through all that again? Today, Nadal demolished Tomas Berdych, a lanky and late-blooming threat, unstable as acetone peroxide, who was unable to rally the kind of commanding, power-based tennis that had carried him to the final over the fortnight.

Nadal won it, 6-3, 7-5, 6-4, as Berdych's nerves, game, or both failed him at inconvenient times. Thus Nadal became the first man since Bjorn Borg to complete the Channel Slam (back-to-back wins at Roland Garros and Wimbledon) more than once in the Open era. It wasn't very long ago that Borg's accomplishment seemed untouchable, not just because of Borg's game but—in theory—because of essential transformations in the game itself. Now, Nadal and Roger Federer have each done it. As Nadal said in his presser, "It didn't happen since Borg (1980), and now it happened for the past three years. How crazy is life?"

But let's get back to those critical moments in the match. With his punishing serve and quick-strike groundstrokes, Berdych is capable of holding serve until the cows, or John Isner and Nicolas Mahut, come home. But Nadal broke Berdych twice in the first set, and in the second set Nadal broke Berdych in what arguably was the most critical game of the match: the 13th. Had Berdych held there, the set would have gone to the tiebreaker and, against a guy like Berdych, that's always a crapshoot. Nadal also broke Berdych in what would be the final game of the match to clinch it 6-4.

You could argue that Berdych's greatest miscalculation was his stubborn refusal to go to a Plan B when Plan A (engaging Nadal in stock baseline-based play) clearly failed. But in each of the last two sets, Berdych matched Nadal, hold for hold, until deep into the set. So in the end, you can just as easily put down his loss to a failure of nerve. He failed to play the big points well. Berdych was 0 for 5 in break points, compared to Nadal's 4 for 6. If someone had told you before the match that there would be no tiebreakers, you would have known it would hardly be worth watching. Going into the match, Berdych had lost just seven service games; today he lost four, nearly 50 per cent of his tournament total.

But Nadal was broken just eight times in this tournament, a statistic that points to his serving efficiency as well as his generally high level of execution. After all, Nadal's 54 aces is barely half the number served up at Wimbledon by his final opponent (111). Berdych finished second on the ace list (behind John Isner, who served all of his in one match); Nadal finished tied for 22nd.

Still, as Toni Nadal, Rafa’s uncle and coach, told us about his nephew's general level of play: "It was as good as 2008. Maybe better, because he improve some things, like his serve."

Nadal's well-placed lefty slice, less effective for its pop than for its shrewd placement, has made his life easier on grass. But he wins on the surface for the same reason as the former player he most resembles, Borg. It's all about the legs. As he said, "I think I have very good thing for player here on grass—movement. I move well on the court, and that's a very important part of the game."

No secrets there. Berdych begged to differ and put it simply: "His biggest weapon is his left hand. It's not many players like that. It's really tough, you know, to find the right rhythm."

102617131And it's that much tougher when the most basic strength of your opponent exposes your most basic weakness. In this case, the quickness of Nadal matched with the relatively poor movement of Berdych. As the match wore on, Berdych's defense looked weaker and weaker; by the late stages, he was pushing feeble sliced backhands which, when they did make it over the net, were easy pickings for the swift Nadal.

How did he get so fast? "I think all my life I practiced with my high hundred percent of intensity in every ball in the practice. That's why today I am faster, no? Probably now I'm not practicing with the same intensity like when I was a kid. When I was a kid, I practiced—believe me—like crazy."

This appetite, even for a cradle-to-grave tennis pro, is slightly unusual, and it points to a more fundamental attribute that may be the wellspring of Nadal's style as well as his degree of success. That's his passion for the game, which is manifested in both subtle and obvious ways.

We all know that tennis players are coy, proud individuals. They claim never to read anything written about them, but you can catch them at the newsstand with an armload of papers. Once they're out of a tournament, they profess no interest in watching the grand finale. But I'll bet they sit there, doing sit-ups, tuned in to the broadcast, growling: That coulda been me.

When Nadal was asked the other day if he had watched last year's final between Roger Federer and Andy Roddick, he said, "I watched at home, on the sofa. Just enjoying the beautiful match. Was a very emotional match. I liked the tennis, so I enjoyed the match."

How often have you heard players, instead of transported fans, call tennis "beautiful?"

Of course, you don't get to be Rafael Nadal by enjoying the moment when you're actually playing out there; you get to be Nadal by living in it and most of all surviving it—even if you get the job done while the sun is still high and the shadows short, while spectators are appreciating every point instead of living—or dying —a little bit with each one.

Today was easy, although Nadal would be the last to tell you so. Don't you think he earned it?


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Posted by imjimmy 07/05/2010 at 03:33 PM

Clay warrior..

Posted by gauloises (unrepentant FOOP) 07/05/2010 at 03:34 PM

Living with Maradona would be a punishment?! In that case, I feel I've been a very bad girl.

C'mon, it'd be great. Beards! Insanity! Cocaine on your chips!

And just to be vaguely tennistical, I lol'ed at "the Claycier".

Posted by Annie (Vamos Heavenly Creature) 07/05/2010 at 03:34 PM

tunafish: yup, he was the Brat, wasn't he? Did you see the piece NBC did yesterday on the 1980 tiebreak? When John and Bjorn came onto the court for the final, the crowd boo'd mac! never been done before. The Wimby crowd really loathed him. And rightfully so. Here are the best tennis fans in the world. Always respectful to the players and this guy's behaviour was so shocking to their proper sensibilities. It was hard being a Mac fan. But I loved his tennis.

Posted by espnalanaldo 07/05/2010 at 03:35 PM

tennisanyone,

By 2011, Roger will not be a major factor in Rankings nor in Slams.

Sorry, that is just the naked truth that Sampras had to accept as well.

Posted by CL 07/05/2010 at 03:35 PM

tennisanyone -Fed as Quentin T? That is SO 2007.

Posted by Tari 07/05/2010 at 03:36 PM

AGAIN with that? I think we got the whole tailspin thing the first time around. Enlightening, thanks! ;-)

Posted by Grant 07/05/2010 at 03:37 PM

"Living with Maradona would be a punishment?! In that case, I feel I've been a very bad girl."

Aren't you English? I thought you were required by law to hate Maradona.

Posted by ladyjulia 07/05/2010 at 03:38 PM

espnalanaldo,

"By 2011, Roger will not be a major factor in Rankings nor in Slams."

Are you willing to bet money on that?

Sampras is different from Roger you know :-)

Roger has better hair, therefore he is less likely to go down the way Sampras did.

Posted by AB 07/05/2010 at 03:38 PM

How about The Illusionist, or the Spanish equivalent.

I think we should incorporate one of his classic Spanglish words.

Posted by chicklet 07/05/2010 at 03:38 PM

Daylily - I know you weren't trying to get it to catch on here. Just venting about my own pet peeves. Although Annie is right. He did celebrate with a sommersault. Sometimes Boyish Fully Grown Human Male? (SBFGHM)

Hee. Ice Borg!
My mom always described Borg as Robot Hot.

Posted by espnalanaldo 07/05/2010 at 03:38 PM

I think that sexret(!) of Nadal. He has to also align his package, as all of us men, do instictively. (he, he)

Else, it is going to be painful even to walk straight.

Posted by CL 07/05/2010 at 03:39 PM

CPM - see! That was EXACTLY Queen Elizabeth's point when she told Fed to hit his BH DTL more! But at the last minute she got all 'girly' and was distracted by his beautiful locks and forgot the 'shave you head' part. Which really is better than the 'OFF with your head' part.

Part? Well, yes, now that you are all mentioning it, Rafa's widens apace.;-)

Posted by thebigapple 07/05/2010 at 03:39 PM

We should stay away from "Rafanator". Astonished to see that suggested by someone with Rafa or Nadal in their handle.

You see, the Governator was a longtime steriods user. I am sure you see why it may not look right.

Well, maybe...Hmmmm...maybe I should..Nah, too easy.

Posted by TeamNadal 07/05/2010 at 03:39 PM

daylily....when he is on court, he transforms himself into a ruthless terminator...

Posted by ChannelSlam 07/05/2010 at 03:40 PM

The exclusive clay names are not all that appropriate anymore so no to 'Clay warrior' :)

'The naturalist' since he seems to prefer natural surfaces? (yea I know I'm no good at this, lol)

Gauloises,
Are you young enough not to have known Maradona as a player? cause that would explain it ;=)

Posted by AB 07/05/2010 at 03:41 PM

Sufrayce Master?

Posted by Tari 07/05/2010 at 03:41 PM

CL: So many times I've wished I had your email addy to write you over the years. :) I'll leave mine if you are up to exchanging email at any point. tennistari@hotmail.com

Posted by gauloises (unrepentant FOOP) 07/05/2010 at 03:41 PM

I believe the coalition are making a determined effort to enshrine that into legislation, yes.

But I wanted England to lose, and I wanted Argentina to win. Besides, how do you hate Crazy Diego? Bless him, the whacked-out little fantasist.

Posted by espnalanaldo 07/05/2010 at 03:41 PM

Wow, how the analysis of tennis achievement gone to the dogs.

It all hinges of hair.

How pedestrian!

It seems this forum has descended into the gutter of hair discussion --- hair from top to bottom. or drapes to carpet. (boinggg!)

Posted by TeamNadal 07/05/2010 at 03:42 PM

Arnold played a "role" in the Terminator....we are not talking about Arnold himself here.....come on

Posted by tunafish 07/05/2010 at 03:42 PM

Thank goodness the Queen wasn't there when Rafa "aligned his package"

Posted by ladyjulia 07/05/2010 at 03:42 PM

I agree with people wanting to take the "clay" out of it...its no longer true.

Posted by Jess 07/05/2010 at 03:42 PM

Again Pete, again, you got your facts wrong. There was not a 13th game in the 2nd set (7+5 only addd to 12) . And Nadal broke Berdych in 4 service games , not 3 (2 in the first set). Are you sure Pete you did watch that match? It must be nice getting paid for writing articles with only 50% of correct facts!!.

Posted by Grant 07/05/2010 at 03:43 PM

"By 2011, Roger will not be a major factor in Rankings nor in Slams."

Rankings yes, but he'll be a threat to 'go on a run' in any slam he enters, just as Pete was.

"Sorry, that is just the naked truth that Sampras had to accept as well."

Do you go to peoples' houses and say "what a nice dog, too bad it's getting old and will be dead in a few years", because yeah, thanks for pointing out that things age, we'd never realized that

Posted by zenggi 07/05/2010 at 03:44 PM

Good evening,

Gauloises,
You have to see this. That's why:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeF4tTEWM6M

I cannot believe TW is talking about bald postural adjustment.

Posted by CL 07/05/2010 at 03:44 PM

"It all hinges of hair.
How pedestrian!"

Not unless you walk on your head...or perhaps the back of your hands?

Posted by gauloises (unrepentant FOOP) 07/05/2010 at 03:44 PM

Oh, I was wondering why my comment disappeared.

I shall repeat it with moderate adjustments ...

I don't know, ChannelSlam, I'm pretty old. When was the Hand of Deity?

Posted by Colette (On Cloud 8) 07/05/2010 at 03:44 PM

Rafan8tor (Only temporary, of course!)

Posted by ladyjulia 07/05/2010 at 03:44 PM

espnalanaldo

You can join in if you want :-)

Besides, I think the hair theory holds more weight than your theory for Roger not being a factor for winning in slams..whatever your theory is for his decline since you care not to elaborate.

Posted by CL 07/05/2010 at 03:44 PM

Tari - I am so there...

Posted by daylily 07/05/2010 at 03:45 PM

actually teamnadal, i was thinking more in terms how how i don't want sandwich ingredients to play a part in rafa's legend....and i would always think of Baconator and Wendy's upon hearing it. :)

Posted by TeamNadal 07/05/2010 at 03:46 PM

"Rafan8tor (Only temporary, of course!"

Colette - BRILLIANT! :)

Posted by thebigapple 07/05/2010 at 03:46 PM

Maradona was the best thing about this World Cup.

At least the man was fully alive and passionate about the sport.

Posted by espnalanaldo 07/05/2010 at 03:47 PM

AB,

Give it up! with the surfrayce. Nadal is not a native English speaker. In much the same way that an English, new to Spanish will pronounce a boy, as nino instead of nin-yo.

That would make look and sound like a ninny!

Posted by I hate it when I am at a grunting concert and they start playing tennis 07/05/2010 at 03:47 PM

While Fed has no chance catching Rafa this year unless Rafa gets injured again and can't play, some suggests that Rafa has no points to defend and will be able to build even more points. NOT TRUE. While Rafa played like crap after comeback last year, he still reached QF or SF of virtually all tourneys he entered last year.

Rafa (2009)
US OPEN SF-720
canada QF-180
Cincy SF-360
Shanghai F-600
Paris indoor SF-360
Beijing 500 SF-180

So only place he totally sucked was the year end final where he got 0 point.

Compare to this, Fed has
US OPEN F-1200
canada QF-180
Cincy W-1000
Shanghai Didn't play-0
Paris indoor R32-10
Basel 500 F-300
Tour final RR-400

Too lazy to compare exact total points to defend between the two, but I bet when you all add them up, the numbers are about the same. Only difference is that Fed has more points to defend until US Open, but has way more chance to earn points since he didn't play much due to injury last year. If you're curious I suggest that you add numbers and compare.

Posted by ChannelSlam 07/05/2010 at 03:47 PM

Gauloises,
Then I rest my case and I obviously lose :)

Posted by Tari 07/05/2010 at 03:47 PM

"Do you go to peoples' houses and say "what a nice dog, too bad it's getting old and will be dead in a few years", because yeah, thanks for pointing out that things age, we'd never realized that"

LOL.

Posted by Grant 07/05/2010 at 03:48 PM

"....and i would always think of Baconator and Wendy's upon hearing it. :)"

let's save that for nalbandian

Posted by Tic 07/05/2010 at 03:49 PM

"I have come to think Nadal is not bad looking."

To be sure, not your classic Kendoll face, but strong masculine features, more so since he lost his baby facial fat. On/off court, it's quite a transformation with him, always going through several stages.

Calm pre-match concentration:
http://tinyurl.com/3xjwk2g

Intense match semi-snarl:
http://tinyurl.com/38hqwrb

Post-win joy:
http://tinyurl.com/33u7xqn

Presser smile:
http://tinyurl.com/37fwhku

Posted by thebigapple 07/05/2010 at 03:49 PM

Sorry, everytime I see Arnold..I wonder how come he is not dead yet from all the steriods.

I did not see any of the Terminator movies..for me he is a body builder and politician.

Posted by TeamNadal 07/05/2010 at 03:49 PM

"....and i would always think of Baconator and Wendy's upon hearing it. :)"

"let's save that for nalbandian"

ROFL

Posted by Annie (Vamos Heavenly Creature) 07/05/2010 at 03:49 PM

tba; you like to bring up the steroids thing or you like to hint around it. In today's NYTimes article about the final, they mention that rafa had drug testing right after the match. That's s.o.p. nowadays. the guy is clean and always has been.

how about "bisquit"? or "Beeskweet" as he said it in one of his pressers. :)

Posted by gauloises (unrepentant FOOP) 07/05/2010 at 03:50 PM

Oh yes, the highly original Fat Dave jokes. Just for that, I'm taking both Fed's hips. Nalby can have a spare.

zenggi, he smokes during practice?! Awesome. Although I've always heard that anything you can do while smoking isn't a sport, so ... Maradona's just killed football. Finally.

Posted by Colette (On Cloud 8) 07/05/2010 at 03:51 PM

Steely Don (pronouned as in "Don Quixote)

Posted by Lynne (Rafalite) 07/05/2010 at 03:51 PM

All I can think of is Rafaking ... but wait ... oh well, maybe not.

Posted by AB 07/05/2010 at 03:52 PM

espn: it's called humor, as in, if we can't ignore you, we'll humor you, but Grant is much better at turning defense into funny.

Posted by TeamNadal 07/05/2010 at 03:53 PM

hahahha Lynne.....Rafa King or King Rafa.....Home of the Whopper!

Posted by ladyjulia 07/05/2010 at 03:53 PM

I hate it when I am at a grunting concert and they start playing tennis,

Thanks for the table...but Fed still has 3090 points to defend while Rafa has 2400 points to defend.

So Fed has 690 more points to defend than Rafa. All in all, the dynamic will only change if Fed wins USO and Rafa does not.

I don't think Fed will travel to Asia again given the twins cannot handle jet lag...so i think it boils down to the last major of the year.

Posted by espnalanaldo 07/05/2010 at 03:53 PM

oops,

Dat wud make u look and sound like a ninny!

Posted by CL 07/05/2010 at 03:53 PM

Yeah, I think the 'clay' doesn't work because it makes you think of some statue that doesn't move...which would NOT be Rafa.

I've said from the beginning, back when Daylilly and Zola first raised this, that the reason it is hard to get a nickname to 'stick' to Rafa is because his OWN name..which is short, and punchy, and quite charming, just fits him so well. Rafa is a great name.

Posted by Colette (On Cloud 8) 07/05/2010 at 03:53 PM

Lynn, last two syllables ... not so much

Posted by espnalanaldo 07/05/2010 at 03:55 PM

and AB,

ninny sounds funny indeed.

Posted by ladyjulia 07/05/2010 at 03:55 PM

CL

True "Rafa"...says so much more about "Rafa" than anything else does.

Posted by Annie (Vamos Heavenly Creature) 07/05/2010 at 03:56 PM

tic: thanks for those pics. I like the first the best. I actually think his full-on snarl is wicked sexy. You know his mother says she does not recognize him when he's on court, his personality changes so much. So I don't think he snarls in his everyday life :)

tba: arnold has had heart trouble. I don't know if that is a symptom of long term steroid use. honestly, I didn't expect him to have any children.

Posted by Colette (On Cloud 8) 07/05/2010 at 03:56 PM

CL, good point. Charming, yet "majestic" too

Posted by thebigapple 07/05/2010 at 03:57 PM

Annie, I have been explicit about hearing about Nadal first many years ago in connection with Operation Puerta, the drug scandal.

No hinting. Explicit.

I am making no assertion about drug use by him beyond that.

And, yes...Arnold reminds of steriod use everytime I see him. So no, Rafanator does not work for me.

Anyway, now that you have engaged me directly I will exit for the day and return at a more benign time. Leave the party to the Nadalnation. Ciao, been real.

Posted by espnalanaldo 07/05/2010 at 03:57 PM

tunafish,

I am sure the queen, who has lived this long, has seen her husband, the prince adjust his package so many times. Who knows, she may have liked it? As much as the prince has seen the queen adjust her own tunafish.

LOL.

Posted by Annie (Vamos Heavenly Creature) 07/05/2010 at 03:58 PM

CL: agreed. I was going to post something along those lines earlier. Rafa is his nickname isn't it?

Posted by TeamNadal 07/05/2010 at 03:59 PM

"tunafish,

I am sure the queen, who has lived this long, has seen her husband, the prince adjust his package so many times. Who knows, she may have liked it? As much as the prince has seen the queen adjust her own tunafish."

"LOL"

x 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by ChannelSlam 07/05/2010 at 04:00 PM

The thing is that right now the difference between Nadal and Fed is 3860 ranking points.
If Nadal can defend some of his points, Fed won't be able to catch him even by winning the USO.

Posted by CL 07/05/2010 at 04:00 PM

ladyjulia- "The twins cannot handle jet lag."??? Since when? From within weeks of their birth, those 2 girls have flown east, west and all around the town. They MUST hold some sort of record for most air miles traveled by humans under the age of 1 year. At just a little over a month, they flew from Swiz. to to North America. Westward - the WORST for jet lag. And face it, if they can't handle it, all they can do is whine and fuss about it and since that is par for the course anyway, who's to notice?

Posted by snarlface 07/05/2010 at 04:01 PM

I'm just glad Nadal has a "package" to adjust. I often wondered about him. I think the Queen was happy Nadal didn't show up to meet her as he probably picked his butt right beforehand and then would shake her hand. The Queen probably doesn't even know who Nadal is.

Posted by snarlface 07/05/2010 at 04:02 PM

Is Nadal the father of Federer's twins?

Posted by ladyjulia 07/05/2010 at 04:03 PM

CL

Fed mentioned in an interview that the travel from US to Asia within two weeks may not be good for them...If I can remember where I read it, I will link it.

True otherwise...they have done a lot of traveling. The article mentioned him specifically saying trip to Asia and jetlag in two weeks of time.

Posted by Lynne (Rafalite) 07/05/2010 at 04:04 PM

Oh, yeah, the Queen knows alright, everyone knows ...

Posted by Annie (Vamos Heavenly Creature) 07/05/2010 at 04:07 PM

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/tennis/operation-puerto-fails-to-link-players-with-drug-abuse-406789.html

No tennis players were involved.

Posted by Tic 07/05/2010 at 04:08 PM

And here's that magazine cover rugged serious looks pic of Nadal with his trophy:
http://tinyurl.com/39uw9ub

Posted by imjimmy 07/05/2010 at 04:08 PM

""Too lazy to compare exact total points to defend between the two, but I bet when you all add them up, the numbers are about the same ""

NOPE, they are not. Doing the maths, Fed has 3080 pts to defend until the end of the year, and Nadal has 2400 odd pts to defend. Djokovic has the maximum to defend (approx 4200). Therefore, Nadal has a good shot to end the year as #1 since he has a 3500+ cushion over Fed and Djokovic.

That said,, Nadal COULD do disastrously in the hardcourt season (loosing in the QF or before of the USO and other events) and Fed COULD win the UsO along with a couple of HC events, in which case Fed could be #1. STILL, Nadal will probably play consistently with past performances (or slightly poorly), and maybe pick up a tournament, which would put him out of reach as #1.

If I had to guess the top 10 at the end of the year:

Nadal
Federer
Soderling ( The Swede's time is coming and perhaps a slam is within the reach)
Murray
Djokovic
Delpo ( goes higher once he comes back).
Berdych
Roddick
Davydenko
Tsonga
Verdasco/Ferrer

Posted by zenggi 07/05/2010 at 04:10 PM

gauloises,
I cannot agree. I strongly disagree. Or not.

Posted by Annie (Vamos Heavenly Creature) 07/05/2010 at 04:10 PM

Looks like the french press were doing their usual smear campaign. At the expense of an athlete's lifelong reputation. that stinks.

Posted by Annie (Vamos Heavenly Creature) 07/05/2010 at 04:13 PM

What a shame we can't talk about the wimbledon champion the day after the tourney ends on a tennis site without killjoys arriving.

Posted by ladyjulia 07/05/2010 at 04:13 PM

oh yes, I forgot the 3500 points that Rafa already has ahead of Fed.

I think its almost tied up for YE#1.

But there is always next year...if Rafa wins USO...defending 3 GS a year is no joke...Mats couldn't do it nad Fed couldn't do it the first time either.

So, Fed should look for his chance sometime around this time next year. He would do himself a world of favor if he wins a MS tourney now and then.

Posted by ChannelSlam 07/05/2010 at 04:15 PM

The correct name is 'Operation Puerto' not Puerta and there hasn't been any proof that Mr. Nadal was involved in any way.

Looking at past performances by Nadal during the fall HC season, I think that only an extended absence will prevent him from keeping his ranking. If he's relatively fit, it's likely that he'll get similar results: Quarters/Semis.

Posted by ChannelSlam 07/05/2010 at 04:19 PM

Where did my post go?

Posted by Annie (Vamos Heavenly Creature) 07/05/2010 at 04:20 PM

Channelslam: i just posted the article that basically retracts the french press's allegations. The ITF looked into it and NO futbol or tennis players were involved. Just cycling. It was a cycling scandal apparently.

Posted by carboncopy 07/05/2010 at 04:21 PM

Nadal is tested more than any other player/athlete. I think he plays cleanly.

Posted by Matt Zemek 07/05/2010 at 04:24 PM

Daylily:

Two suggestions:

1) simply, "The Fisherman"

2) - to be tennis specific: The Running Man

Posted by ChannelSlam 07/05/2010 at 04:25 PM

Oh there it is :)

Annie,
Thanks for fighting the good fight.
I understand everyone has a right to their opinion and there is no way any of us will ever know for sure what athletes do or don't do but I must say I couldn't accuse anyone of drug use unless I had hard proof *shrugs*

Posted by carboncopy 07/05/2010 at 04:26 PM

Nadal is a very good tennis player. He makes the game exciting, withouth Nadal and Federer, tennis is in big trouble. My other comment about Nadal is this guy has some issues - the way he arranges the water bottles and especially the way he digs into his tush after each point. I've never seen a grown man do this, espcially in front of millions of people. This is the kind of thing a 3 year old kid would do. Can't somebody help this guy?

Posted by ladyjulia 07/05/2010 at 04:27 PM

Annie

The wikipedia article on "operation puerto" mentions football and tennis players. I don't want to do the research though to check up their facts and sources. Apparently, the doc mentions that why only cyclists are being blamed when football players were also his clients.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Puerto#cite_note-1

I don't have an opinion on this subject except that WADA dosen't do enough testing for EPO out-of-competition for tennis players (which are clear in the stats). I know Fed and Rafa are the most tested tennis players, given that they win so much...but I don't think the testing system is sufficient for tennis in general. Not that I have suspicions about any players...except that the stats of being tested out-of-competition are sadly not up with the times or expectations of an olympic sport.

Again, I am talking in general about tennis as a sport..esp. as an olympic sport. Not about any players or anybody in particular.


Posted by ladyjulia 07/05/2010 at 04:28 PM

Annie

The wikipedia article on "operation puerto" mentions football and tennis players. I don't want to do the research though to check up their facts and sources. Apparently, the doc mentions that why only cyclists are being blamed when football players were also his clients.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Puerto#cite_note-1

I don't have an opinion on this subject except that WADA dosen't do enough testing for EPO out-of-competition for tennis players (which are clear in the stats). I know Fed and Rafa are the most tested tennis players, given that they win so much...but I don't think the testing system is sufficient for tennis in general. Not that I have suspicions about any players...except that the stats of being tested out-of-competition are sadly not up with the times or expectations of an olympic sport.

Again, I am talking in general about tennis as a sport..esp. as an olympic sport. Not about any players or anybody in particular.


Posted by shyla 07/05/2010 at 04:29 PM

Nadal: congratulations on winning Wimbledon. And when tennis career is over, he can concentrate on modeling.

Posted by Grant 07/05/2010 at 04:31 PM

"Thanks for fighting the good fight."

Death to the strawmen!

Posted by ChannelSlam 07/05/2010 at 04:36 PM

"Death to the strawmen!"

English is not my native language so I didn't get that... probably for the best

Posted by gauloises 07/05/2010 at 04:38 PM

Sweet tweet from Horacio Zeballos re: Nalby ...

"David, is the best!, Is training 100% like us and want to play and give joy to the country!"

Or so google translate leads me to believe.

Posted by Tic 07/05/2010 at 04:39 PM

"The wikipedia article on "operation puerto" mentions football and tennis players."

And you are of course aware that Wikipedia articles are being written by an independent panel of experts and not by random public members. Oh, wait...

Posted by ladyjulia 07/05/2010 at 04:42 PM

Tic,

That is why I said...I don't want to do the research to check up the facts adn sources...besides most of it is in spanish, so it is impossible for me to say. How do I know what the doc is saying is correct or not? I am just putting out another source of information there, not claiming any authenticity.

I don't really want to get into this topic of operation puerto given that most of the material is in spanish..but my opinion about WADA testing remains unchanged..but that is a topic for another thread..not this one.

Posted by Annie (Vamos Heavenly Creature) 07/05/2010 at 04:45 PM

English is my native language and I didn't understand that.

Ladyjulia: i'll read that article. I thought the one I posted was from a reputable source so I took it literally.

Posted by ladyjulia 07/05/2010 at 04:51 PM

Annie,

To be warned, I have no evidence to say that wikipedia's description is correct and I cannot check all the references they have mentioned. Besides, half of them are in spanish.

Posted by ladyjulia 07/05/2010 at 04:53 PM

Besides I don't think this topic belongs to this thread...so sorry for commenting on it.

Posted by aussiemarg [Madame President in Comma Rehab for 2009] 07/05/2010 at 05:05 PM

Good Morning Everyone,

Daylily you have made another apperence here at TW

Going for a record 2 days in a row now?

Faints lol!

Please stay forever ok

Hmmm will catch up

Posted by aussiemarg [Madame President in Comma Rehab for 2009] 07/05/2010 at 05:09 PM

Drugs in cycling nothing new there

I love the Tour and follow if every year

Though Drugs as always given it somewhat of a bad name

Some athletics have been kicked out before it starts every year

Posted by Rosangel 07/05/2010 at 05:10 PM

So we've covered the "who is the GOAT/who is the GHOAT" debates, and are onto the 'ever-revelatory' topic of steroid use? Again? *yawns*

For those wondering about Cincy, articles I have sen today suggest that Rafa will take a full month off and have his other knee treated....one suggested he may miss the Masters tournament in Toronto, but this one: http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010/jul/05/rafael-nadal-tennis quotes him as saying that "Now the most important thing for me is to rest in Mallorca, to enjoy the summer and then have three weeks like a mini pre-season practice there. I will try to work as I did in December, which was very good for me. I will try to do the same and be healthy to play well in Toronto, Cincinnati and the US Open."

Posted by Annie (Vamos Heavenly Creature) 07/05/2010 at 05:12 PM

carboncopy: love your post! yeah, rafa appears to have OCD which I am familiar with. I don't know if it is limited to just his tennis game or his life off court as well. He goes through numerous rituals before each match. The butt-picking is a habit he's had since he was much younger. It's unfortunate. Why couldn't it be like Roddick's shirt habit, or Fed's hair flicking habit.

Posted by Annie (Vamos Heavenly Creature) 07/05/2010 at 05:15 PM

Hi Rosangel! yes, now we're on to the tics...

Posted by aussiemarg [Madame President in Comma Rehab for 2009] 07/05/2010 at 05:16 PM

Rosangel Hi.Oh My not again

How many times over the years has Rafa and the Steriod discussion has come up

Yawn!!!!! as well

I cant believe this

Then again yes I can here.

Okay You Started This Bloody Rubbish????

Posted by aussiemarg [Madame President in Comma Rehab for 2009] 07/05/2010 at 05:19 PM

Hmmmmmmm A case of Tall Poppy Syndrome I see

Rafa no 1 and someone has got to bring him down

Oh Yes it also happens to Roger in different circumstances

People just love to get Dirt dont they.

Posted by Annie (Vamos Heavenly Creature) 07/05/2010 at 05:22 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3G65XBMsKfQ

rafa in his tux before the ball.

Posted by Master Ace 07/05/2010 at 05:26 PM

Aussiemarg,
Yes that drug discussion came up again here and on another board that I scanned today but again, the poster can not come up with solid evidence. All I am going to say that Rafael is on a roll where he wins everything in sight that is a Masters event or better starting in April. Guess his next event below Masters will be Beijing(500 event) but not completely sure.

Posted by Rosangel 07/05/2010 at 05:32 PM

Matt my friend (if I may call you that): you may not recall it, but the toughest post I ever wrote for TW referenced Rafa and "Born To Run".
http://tennisworld.typepad.com/tennisworld/2009/06/born-to-run.html

And one of the favourite pictures I took of Rafa in 2008 on his way to winning Wimbledon was this: http://homepage.mac.com/rosangel/Rafa(4)/large-1.html


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