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Queen City Diary, Day 3 08/18/2010 - 11:53 AM

103357700 [[Pete is on vacation from Sunday, the 15th, through today. He'll be back with a post tomorrow.]]
 
By Jackie Roe, TW Contributing Writer

Good morning, TWibe. Another day in Cincinnati at the Western & Southern Financial Group Masters has come and gone, and I have plenty of stories to report, as usual.

Just as I did on Monday, I tried my best to catch as many matches and practice sessions as my aching feet would allow, but I'll give you a rundown of those in the Deuce Club this week or next. What I thought I'd focus on in today's update are my press conference impressions; the big four held their pre-tournament pressers on Tuesday and we heard from some of the Americans, as well. Sure, you could just look up the transcripts, but where's the fun in that?

Blake's post-match presser was up first, following his loss to Istomin. I wasn't present for either the match or the presser, but as he revealed quite a bit about his state of mind and his upcoming plans, I thought it was worth sharing with y'all.

- Throughout the presser, he noted that he was still feeling the effects of a number of injuries. He didn't attribute the day's loss to illness or injury, though - he just wasn't at his best.

- He plans to take a break for a little while after the Open.

- The last question asked was about Pam Shriver, and he let us know that he received a nice e-mail from her. So they've quashed their beef, I assume.

Federer's pre-tournament presser took place a few hours later. He arrived dressed in his training gear, as he was scheduled to practice for the first time in Cincinnati later that day.

- There was something slightly off about his demeanor during the presser; former TWiber CNote and I described him as "testy," as he demonstrated too much of the reflexive defensiveness that makes even the most ardent of Federer fans wince. Still, he was talkative and self-assured and responded to each question with that singular Federer openness.

- Generally, the presser was far more serious than the ones in Toronto, but there was one light-hearted interaction with a reporter:

Reporter: The perception is that your level has decreased ... I don't necessarily think that's the case ... what's the-"

Federer: Thank you.

- When asked if he preferred the men's and women's tournaments being separate or combined, he decisively chose the former, saying it's much more quiet and "everything is a bit simpler."

- Another reporter brought up his inconsistent results at the tournament - he either wins the championship or he's knocked out early - and Federer responded with, "Well, I prefer it that way than playing quarters every time." Is that how all players feel, I wonder?

Murray's presser was up next. (No transcript for this one. That makes me feel more useful.)

- I was happy to see his eye contact improve as the presser progressed; the public speaking instructor in me always emerges when I watch him speak because his discomfort is so palpable.

- He was asked about the role his mother plays, and he revealed that he doesn't actually speak to her before his matches, though she does try to scout his opponents. She's not fulfilling the role of a coach, really - he said it was just nice having someone in his family around.

- He fielded several questions about his coaching situation, and he stated that he wouldn't replace Maclagan anytime before the Open "for sure," and that in some ways it's nice to be on your own. More responsibility in figuring things out, more freedom.

- As for this tournament, he said he'd still feel confident going into the Open even if he doesn't have a great result here.

After a never-ending wait, Nadal arrived for his pre-tournament presser. (You'd think that pricey watch would help him manage his time a little bit better!)

- In contrast to the Federer and Murray pressers, the vibe in this one was much more light. Nadal was his usual good-natured self and smiled/laughed often. Instead of describing his responses to questions, I'll let him speak for himself. Notable quotes include:

I am not superstitious.
If you play well, you win, if you play bad, you lose.

I don't think if I am number one or number five. I am Rafa.
(after a reporter asked a drawn-out question) I do not understand nothing.
Physically I'm perfect. Remain two weeks to broke everything. (Even more hilarious in person.)

- Another insightful part of the presser was when he discussed his previous performances at the Open and how his disappointing (for him) results had less to do with his physical state than his mental one, contrary to what most observers argue. Particularly interesting was his comment about the '08 Open, when he said he was actually fine physically but "destroyed" mentally, following his dream summer. We see, then, that while winning is nice, it takes its toll, too.

- I had to mention that my understanding of Nadal's English has vastly improved from the first time I heard him speak in person. Have I just gotten used to it or is he getting better?

I missed Djokovic's presser, unfortunately, but ended my day at Isner's.

- This was a fun one, more like a conversation than any of the others. Isner in person surprised me a tad; he's quite serious and a thoughtful, polished speaker.

- He spoke at length about the after-effects of the Wimbledon marathon match, expressing that his win over Kubot was the best he's felt on court in a long time. He's been gassed for a while, and the fatigue hit him especially in DC, which prompted him to skip Toronto. He went home, didn't think about tennis, just hung out with his family (and his dog, a cocker spaniel!). He even turned off his cell phone.

- Regarding the renovations, he said that the locker room is the best part, that it has more space that any other he's been in.

- We all had a good laugh when he said the following, of his doubles success with Querrey: "We really don't know to play doubles. We have big serves."

After the presser officially ended, I mustered up the courage to ask Isner a couple of questions about wrestling. He was gracious enough to humor me and chat briefly about the WWE pay-per-view event on Sunday and his affinity for WWE Raw ("I never miss it!") as he was on his way out of the interview room. And here I thought I was the only one who appreciated both tennis and wrestling. That was a fun cap to a whirlwind day.

That's all for now - time to head out to the courts. This is my last day here, so I have to make it count! I'll be back with some final words about my experience in Friday's DC, and you can also track my movements via Twitter (@JackieRoe).

As always, use this space to call today's matches.


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Posted by Master Ace 08/19/2010 at 09:08 AM

Katarina's comments after her and Kveta defeated Daniela and Caroline talking about Caroline's mental approach on SEWTA website:

""Caroline is a singles specialist but she can be dangerous if you aren't 100% focused, and Daniela has always been a great doubles player," Srebotnik said. "The second set went their way, but in the match tie-break we were sharp.""

Kim's comments per SEWTA website(look back at my 8:35 PM post on how Bethanie played during the first 15 games of the match)

"Bethanie came up with some amazing shots. She's a player who can rise to the occasion. If she plays the level she played tonight in those first two sets, I don't see why she shouldn't be in the Top 10 or Top 15."

Posted by Master Ace 08/19/2010 at 09:09 AM

Thursday Order of Play:

WTA: Montreal at 11 AM - Azarenka vs Li(LIVE on tennistv.com) and Benesova vs Bartoli scheduled
ATP: Cincinnati at Noon on Center Court - Gulbis vs Murray(LIVE on ESPN2) to be followed by Nadal vs Benneteau(LIVE on ESPN2) ending with Federer vs Kohlschreiber
ATP: Cincinnati at Noon on Grandstand - Fish vs Gasquet to be followed by Nalbandian vs Djokovic ending with Baghdatis vs Berdych
WTA: Montreal at 1 PM on Court Central - Radwanska vs Kuznetsova to be followed by Clijsters vs Kanepi (Both matches LIVE on tennistv.com)
WTA: Montreal at 1 PM on Banque Nationale - Szavay vs Zvonareva to be followed by Zheng vs Dementieva
ATP: Cincinnati at 7 PM on Center Court - Soderling vs Roddick(LIVE on ESPN2)
WTA: Montreal at 7 PM - Pennetta vs Wozniacki(LIVE on tennistv.com) to be followed by Schiavone vs Safina
ATP: Cincinnati at 7 PM on Grandstand - Ferrer vs Davydenko


Posted by Ruth 08/19/2010 at 09:13 AM

Heather: Thanks for the comment on Roddick @ 8:32. And the fact that he will almost surely be back in the top 10 by the end of the year means that he will have maintained his consistently high year-end ranking performance.(Year-end ramking -- like season-end ranking in other sports -- is an important criterion used since rankings can vary greatly during any year/season.)

Posted by Kwaku 08/19/2010 at 09:17 AM

Yeah, Rog's video is as genuine as TeamNadal's jpgs :-) Please...

Specially sorry for Isner and Istomin, normally sorry for the regular losers.
Surprised Benneteau beat Stan (but it will be a nice change for Rafa today).
Sorry for Dent, but what could you expect? Specially if he didn't have his day.
Sorry for Querrey, but very happy Ferru played so well.
Sorry for Dasco, good for Fish. And Roddick. And Nalbandian.
Etc.
Great matches today, so here my picks to keep an eye on (not very original, I'd say):
12:00 Gulbis-Murray (not so much into Fish-Reeshie)
12:00+1 Nadal-Benneteau & Nalby-Nole!
12:00+2 Fed-Kohly & Baggy-Berdy
19:00 Sod-Rod & Ferru-Koyla
If tennis did not exist, someone would have to invent it.

Posted by courtney 08/19/2010 at 09:23 AM

Q. Talk about tomorrow’s match with Kohlschreiber. What do you have to do well to win? Maybe some big threats, tools that he has to your game?
ROGER FEDERER: I hope I can come through. It’s an interesting matchup for me, because he came to Switzerland to practice with me just prior to the American trip. So we spent some time there practicing, worked on our games, playing practice sets a lot. So now here we are. You hope, it’s not gonna happen that you play each other; now it does. It’s gonna be a tricky match because of what we went through the last couple of weeks. I’m happy he’s playing well. He’s a good guy. He’s dangerous. He’s got the shots. He’s beaten great players along the way. Roddick at the Australian and Djokovic at the French, and has played a close match against me — a few close matches against me in the past. Yeah, we’ll see how it goes.

Posted by Nam1 08/19/2010 at 09:28 AM

can someone post the long version of the Roger Rafa laughfest again please? The link on youtube says it has been removed....

Please and thank you

Posted by CherryNYC 08/19/2010 at 09:29 AM

Morning all -- gorgeous day here. Missed the evening's activities (those Little Cherries take up all my time!). I had a feeling Sod/Hewitt was going to be interesting.

Sod-MonoRod definitely has potential.

The short video of Fed/Rafa giggling like children is totally adorable. they're such dorks, in a good way.

Posted by nina 08/19/2010 at 09:37 AM

Nam1, try this, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kelRyZ6lHQ,

Posted by Samantha Elin, Caro to the haters, don't you wish your pusher was hott like me. 08/19/2010 at 09:38 AM

Heather, Roddick may get back into the top ten, but I have been hearing he will win another slam and after 7 years of hearing it, I'm not sure I believe it anymore. You may have a situation where you have no American men who can win a slam and that is rare. Patrick, agree on Bethanie a lot of positive signs there, she could have won that match. Kom igen Robin!

Posted by Kwaku 08/19/2010 at 09:49 AM

Ruth,

rankings do vary during any year/season, but it's not like year-end rankings don't vary or are more stable, because they are computed over the same length of time. As we all know, rankings on any date are always computed over the most recent 52 weeks, so for me there is nothing inherently more important in year-end rankings than in any-date rankings. Specially because the tennis off-season is so small it is almost inexistent, so we're basically talking about performance in a time continuum. The rest some players get after Wimby, for instance, can be comparable to the rest they get at the year-end. (Or maybe not --that's not actually crucial for my point.)

If year-end rankings are specially important for some people, it is an arbitrary choice.

Of course performance in, say, May and June is more important than in February and March (two grand slams versus none), but any week's ranking list includes exactly one February, one March, one May and one June; it includes one item of all four slams, of all nine masters 1000, etc. (more recent or less). Why should the ranking on Dec.31 be more important than on any other date?

If some-date ranking has to be more important than another, I'd say it's the one right after Wimby, because two slams have happened recently and the ranking indicates recent form more faithfully. If recent form were not more important than old form regarding ranking, Borg and McEnroe would still be top-10 players; and the reason the ranking system does not weight recent performance over performance 49 weeks ago is prolly only that the system would become more complicated for the people to understand.

So my open question: can anybody give me a plausible reason for year-end rankings to be specially important?

Posted by rafadoc 08/19/2010 at 09:51 AM

Oh my gosh...thanks for the Roger/Rafa giggle fest video. Best 15 minutes of my day so far. :) Amazing. We should bring that out the next time an ugly Fedal War occurs.

Posted by Rafadoc Good Stuff 08/19/2010 at 09:53 AM

Good tennis on tap for the day. Can't wait.

Posted by Kwaku 08/19/2010 at 09:53 AM

(btw, I do have one plausible reason; only one, but I'd like to know if that's the one you people come out with, and if you find it plausible or not.)

Posted by Rafadoc Good Stuff 08/19/2010 at 09:54 AM

I am blue...and then I am black. Amazing.

Gauloises: Your comment on the giggle video was priceless. Heehee

Posted by TheMightyFunk 08/19/2010 at 09:58 AM

kwaku - My view: Its just a consistent marker/reference point to judge a players consistency over several years. Just like Jan 1 is a consistent reference point/marker for the start of a new year. The date itself is not important. However using the same date every year is.

Posted by Texastennis 08/19/2010 at 10:01 AM

Heather - Roddick will be back in the top 10 at the end of the year if he can win some more matches than he has in the last four months....

Posted by TheMightyFunk 08/19/2010 at 10:01 AM

For Tignor fans: Steve's write-up on Federer at espn.com. I always feel like both Steve and Pete "dumb it down" a bit when writing at espn as opposed to here. This one is quite superficial by Steve's standards, imo. Anyone else feel that way?

http://tinyurl.com/2ekvzhw

Posted by Master Ace 08/19/2010 at 10:02 AM

If Flavia wins today and Kim makes the final, Kim would be seeded number 2 at USO.

Top 4 USO seeds are Serena, Caroline, Kim and Venus.

Posted by Master Ace 08/19/2010 at 10:09 AM

Wonder who will be ESPN2 commentating team from Cincinnati. Patrick McEnroe and Brad Gilbert tweeted that they will be there. From Aussiemarg post earlier this week, Darren Cahill is there also(he was being interviewed by ATP TV). If the 3 guys mentioned are the team for the week, what happened to Chris Fowler for the week?

Posted by Heather 08/19/2010 at 10:12 AM

MA: Maybe he's doing something for College Football?

Posted by @work 08/19/2010 at 10:17 AM

In the spirit of funny video sharing and shots to the head, here is one with Rafa and Gasol. Probably most people have seen it since it's not recent but for those who haven't, it's funny.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAU8He6v4U8

TheMightyFunk,
I have always thought that they write for ESPN with a different target audience and that may account for the differences ?

Posted by crazyone 08/19/2010 at 10:18 AM

maybe all of Roger's giggling was a diabolical plot to keep Rafa from the practice court since it took so much longer than necessary to shoot the video :P

Posted by gauloises (unrepentant FOOP) 08/19/2010 at 10:19 AM

OK – I feel really stupid here. I mean, the season is taken in calendar years, isn’t it? And we talk in terms of a calendar Slam.

So … the year-end ranking is significant because it’s the only ranking that counts the exact and only 52 weeks that make up the season.

What am I missing?

Posted by Rafadoc Good Stuff 08/19/2010 at 10:20 AM

Of course it was Crazyone! ;-D He is taking Rafa out of his "riddum". Pure evil.

@work: An oldie but a goodie. :)

Posted by Texastennis 08/19/2010 at 10:26 AM

Cahill has done every week so far whereas McEnroe and Gilbert have had weeks off - does that mean he's getting to be the top dog? I like him the best so that's good for me...

Posted by Master Ace 08/19/2010 at 10:28 AM

Heather,
College football do not start until 9/2.

Posted by Heather 08/19/2010 at 10:34 AM

MA: Hahaha, clearly I was wrong then! :)

Posted by Master Ace 08/19/2010 at 10:36 AM

Heather,
How do you think Roddick will face against Soderling today especially with the crowd on his side tonight at 7 PM?

Posted by @work 08/19/2010 at 10:37 AM

You cannot help but laugh every time Roger laughs :)
I couldn't stop laughing when I saw that video of his interview with CNN (was it?)
If laughter is the best medicine, they should use those vids of Roger laughing as therapy. It does feel good to laugh out loud without even having a reason!

Posted by @work 08/19/2010 at 10:38 AM

Rafadoc,
Yes and at least in that one there is no doubt about whether the shot is real or not. Can you imagine Gasol actually hitting Rafa square in the face with a basketball? ;-)

Posted by TheMightyFunk 08/19/2010 at 10:40 AM

gauloises - The catch is that the ATP points system is a "rolling" view over 52 weeks as opposed to a "reset" of the points on December 31 eevry year. As a result, December 31 by itself has no more sancity than any of the other 364 days of the calendar year - it is treated the same way. Kwaku's point therefore, is, why choose Dec 31 as a special marker?

My response above, is that the date december 31 in itself is not important, but having a single consisten marker date is, to measure a player's consistency over several years. So why not choose December 31 since it aligns with the universal convention for "end of the year"

Posted by TheMightyFunk 08/19/2010 at 10:41 AM

sanctity - not "sancity"

Posted by wilson75 08/19/2010 at 10:42 AM

gauloises: Just to finish where we left off yesterday. Yes, I'm Bristish by birth left the UK when I was 7.

One question though, if you are British do you have to support Murray?

Posted by TheMightyFunk 08/19/2010 at 10:42 AM

and "every", not "eevry" ...oh forget it...you get the point - I hope... :)

Posted by Rafadoc Good Stuff 08/19/2010 at 10:43 AM

@work...yah-I guess we are controversy-less. Darn.

;-P

Posted by @work 08/19/2010 at 10:43 AM

How did Roddick look last night? I didn't get to see his match.
Is he over his illness?
Can't imagine Soderling is going to be easy to beat regardless.

Posted by Heather 08/19/2010 at 10:43 AM

MA: I'm not sure. I didn't catch Soderling's match last night to see how his form was but from what I heard it was a tough battle with Hewitt. Andy's not playing great by any means either. Andy usually steps it up when he faces a tougher opponent and he will surely have the crowd support, so I think it honestly could go either way. It depends on which Andy shows up and which Robin shows up. Was there a brouhaha with Robin and the crowd last night? That may be a factor as well. I do see it going three sets.

Posted by linex 08/19/2010 at 10:46 AM

Hi everyone here is hope we have some good matches today including a nalbi win over Nole.

Posted by robbyfan 08/19/2010 at 10:47 AM

Morning everyone. Can someone repost or point me to the video several months back with Andy Murray hitting balls, a lot of orange stuff, etc. Anybody remember this or did I dream it? I searched on you tube to no avail.

Posted by @work 08/19/2010 at 10:50 AM

Robbyfan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYjFoCIfyAU&feature=player_embedded

I think that's the one you're referring to.

Posted by gauloises (unrepentant FOOP) 08/19/2010 at 10:51 AM

OK - I wasn't missing anything.

I think the season should begin and end on St. Swithun’s Day.

Posted by gauloises (unrepentant FOOP) 08/19/2010 at 10:54 AM

Wilson75, how many British people have you actually talked to about Murray? Most people I know can’t stand him or are at best neutral on him. And will remain so (or become steadily more hostile) unless he actually wins Wimbledon.

So … no, would be the answer to that.

Posted by robbyfan 08/19/2010 at 10:56 AM

@work-That is it! Thank you!!!!

Posted by courtney 08/19/2010 at 10:58 AM

Federer said "Shit, I'm gonna laugh. Oh no." like he was dreading it.

Posted by @work 08/19/2010 at 10:58 AM

Robbyfan,
You're welcome!

I'm not British but I am fan of Murray's. From my own experience talking to British fans, for the most part they like Andy, esp. when he's winning. They are just too quick to drop him as soon as he falters but I think that's to avoid more disappointment.

Posted by Aussiemarg,Madame President.I'am Back and I Am Taking No Prisoners! 08/19/2010 at 11:00 AM

Good Morning Everyone,

That Video sure has been the main topic of TW

Cant wait for the next one

Fake or not LOL!

Great match ups today as my hero Doug Adler would say

"Bring It On"

Posted by robbyfan 08/19/2010 at 11:00 AM

I find myself warming to Andy M. myself. The next generation!

Posted by Carol (ready for USO) 08/19/2010 at 11:03 AM

Hi everybody

Today I have day off at work so I have plenty time to watch the matches
I've heard Raga played pretty good vs Dent returning great his "torpedos serve" and I've heard too Murray didn't play so good
Yesterday I saw *eat pray love* I like it but sincerely I was expecting something else, the best part to me was the last half 30 minutes, it was a lot more interesting. Anyway Julia ang Javier acting so good as always

I'm going to the gym now and hope to be back fot the Rafa match
The vid Roger/Rafa laughing is the best!!!!!

Posted by Aussiemarg,Madame President.I'am Back and I Am Taking No Prisoners! 08/19/2010 at 11:03 AM

G I know I am ignorant

What day is St.Swithuns Day pls

I want to be well prepared

Posted by lilscot 08/19/2010 at 11:06 AM

Master Ace: 8:52 a.m.

Thanks Ace. It should be good. It's kind of slim pickins' this year without the Williams, Maria, and Justine. But there's some good action going on with some of these up-and-comers. I'm hoping Kim wins it, but it'll be tough.

Posted by gauloises (unrepentant FOOP) 08/19/2010 at 11:07 AM

Lol A.M., it's 15th July. And by no means did I just totally google that, although I can tell you that he was born in the reign of Egbert of Essex and his best known miracle is the amazing restoration of a basket of eggs on a bridge.

Hmmm. That feels like it might have lost something in translation.

Posted by Kombo 08/19/2010 at 11:08 AM

Gulbis bumaye! (please)

Posted by Aussiemarg,Madame President.I'am Back and I Am Taking No Prisoners! 08/19/2010 at 11:08 AM

G Anyone that can do miracles with a basket of eggs

Has my vote

Posted by @work 08/19/2010 at 11:09 AM

Well I did google it because I had no idea what it was :)
Apparently there is a tradition that says the weather on that day (15 July) continues for 40 days.

Posted by lilscot 08/19/2010 at 11:10 AM

rafadoc: 9:51 a.m.

Totally agree!

Posted by @work 08/19/2010 at 11:11 AM

Oh I better get some work done to be able to watch tennis at 12.
Googling can be addictive. I just googled 'Bumaye' too ;-)

Posted by lilscot 08/19/2010 at 11:12 AM

Master Ace: 10:02 a.m.

Really? That would be grrrrreat. Big big Kimmie fan.

Posted by gauloises (unrepentant FOOP) 08/19/2010 at 11:13 AM

Ummm ... that should have been Egbert of Wessex. Of course.

Also: "He was of noble parentage, passed his youth in innocent simplicity, and in the study of grammar, philosophy, and the holy scriptures. He was an accomplished model of all virtues when he was promoted to holy orders ..."

And his head's in Canterbury and his arm's in Peterborough.

Still no further details on the eggs though.

.... Why am I talking about this?

*stops*

Posted by Colette 08/19/2010 at 11:13 AM

"Apparently there is a tradition that says the weather on that day (15 July) continues for 40 days."

Kinda' like St. Puxatawny Phil day

Posted by Vie 08/19/2010 at 11:14 AM

Kwaku, year-end ranking is a marker. It is like graduation and then moving on and setting new goals. Weekly rankings can be fluid, especially in a busy part of the season. But in the midst of it, players just go on and keep working. Having seasons / races/ the passage of a year with goals, is the beat of our lives.

Posted by Colette 08/19/2010 at 11:15 AM

OT, but the Rafa/Gasol video reminded me. This may be "common knowledge" (I can have my head in the sand some times), but I saw a segment on ESPN Sports Center about Gasol giving up being a doctor to play pro basketball (smart man!)

Posted by Master Ace 08/19/2010 at 11:16 AM

Victoria/Na and Iveta/Marion has started in Montreal.

Will Iveta consolidate her win over Jelena as her opponent had an unscheduled off day?

Posted by Kristy 08/19/2010 at 11:17 AM

My stepmother is British and she doesn't like Murray because of his bad-tempered outbursts on court. As an American I would never hold that against him -- I find it weird when people DON'T lose their temper -- but I see how that kind of behavior would defy the British standard of reasonableness, self-composure and "just getting on with it." (Offensive stereotypes? If so, sorry.)

Posted by Master Ace 08/19/2010 at 11:18 AM

Lilscot,
True fact about Kim and number 2 if she can be on the court Sunday with Caroline losing today. Now, if Caroline win today, Kim probably would have to win on Sunday provided if Caroline loses tomorrow. If Caroline makes the SF, Kim would have to win to even have a chance of the number 2 spot.

Posted by Aussiemarg,Madame President.I'am Back and I Am Taking No Prisoners! 08/19/2010 at 11:19 AM

I just thought all British people were Whingers? lol!

Posted by Master Ace 08/19/2010 at 11:19 AM

Marion has the early break lead over Iveta at 2-0

Posted by sblily (Wheeeeeeeeeeeee!/We gonna see, no?) 08/19/2010 at 11:20 AM

Mornin' y'all.

Gasol piece Colette referenced: http://tinyurl.com/2dqk9dn

Stuff like this and the Lebronathon are putting a crimp in my LAL hateration. I do not like this feeling.

Posted by Kristy 08/19/2010 at 11:20 AM

Haha. Nice one, AM.

Posted by wilson75 08/19/2010 at 11:22 AM

gauloises: I've been watching Murray a few years now but I haven't been able to warm to him as a player or a personality. I don't think I ever will. But I was a fan of Tim Henman, I really wished he coud've won or at least got to the Wimbledon finals.

Posted by Annie (Vamos Heavenly Creature) 08/19/2010 at 11:22 AM

Hi guys, I was so caught up in laughing at the giggling promo that it didn't register that they are promoting an exhibition! In Switzerland around Christmas do you think?

Well, wouldn't you know. My son is leaving for Geneva tonight for the year. And we're planning on visiting him around the holidays...yippee...I have a plan!

btw, I'm going to be an absolute wreck after my son leaves. The thought of him not being at home for a whole year has me a tad verklempt to say the least. But as soon as I get that first report that he is happy and doing well I'll be fine. just needed to share that with you. thanks.

Posted by Aussiemarg,Madame President.I'am Back and I Am Taking No Prisoners! 08/19/2010 at 11:25 AM

oops apart from Gauloises

I fofgot to mention that lol!

Us Woman have better things to do with our time

Posted by Annie (Vamos Heavenly Creature) 08/19/2010 at 11:27 AM

Anyone who doubts their laughing fit wasn't genuine has got to see this vid. It's tio toni and rafa talking about all the pranks toni used to play on rafa when he was a kid.
he starts to laugh so hard he can't talk. It's priceless. and in Spanish.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqXiezkrFok

Posted by gauloises (unrepentant FOOP) 08/19/2010 at 11:28 AM

I think we’d like to think we have those standards, certainly : )

Some people don’t like him because they think he’s dour (i.e. Scottish) and has no personality. Some people don’t like him because he shouts / pumps his fist / opens his mouth too wide. Some people don’t like him because he made an ill-advised joke about supporting England’s opponents in football that he will never live down. And my mum doesn’t like him because she says tennis isn’t about nationalities and henceforth resents the disproportionate amount of media attention he gets.

Basically, he’s not Tim.

Which has a lot to do with why I like him, because I loathed Tim. (Still got caught up in the Henmania at times, though …)

The depth of antipathy to Murray I've seen at times does surprise me - but I suppose he's a polarising kind of guy.

Why am I *always* talking about Murray these days? Come back, Delpo ...

Posted by Aussiemarg,Madame President.I'am Back and I Am Taking No Prisoners! 08/19/2010 at 11:29 AM

I see My Tommy and his partner the Worm which pains me to say are one set all with Mr Knowles and Mr Ram in their doubles match.

Posted by CherryNYC 08/19/2010 at 11:32 AM

Chin up, Annie. Your son is going to have a wonderful experience. I've never been, but have heard from many that Geneva is beautiful. How awesome for him.

Posted by GB 08/19/2010 at 11:33 AM

Re the possible Fedal exhibition, in the midst of all the giggling the director, obviously realising how hilarious it was, said 'maybe we can play it on BOTH nights' - so maybe there's gonna be an exo in Spain (possibly for Rafa's Foundation) and one in Switzerland?

Also, I flove MAndy's personality. His "Andee Murray' outbursts are hilarious, except when they lead to him losing to someone who isn't Rafa.

Posted by gauloises (unrepentant FOOP) 08/19/2010 at 11:34 AM

Lol A.M. I wasn't even offended :) I am a massive whinger ...

Annie - I was only joking about the video not being genuine. I haven't even watched it yet.

I hope you're not down too long after your son leaves. What's he going to be doing in Geneva?

Posted by CL/Hold the Foam 08/19/2010 at 11:34 AM

Too all those tired of the Fed 'trick shot/real or fake' discussion, may I say, in the nicest possible way, TOUGH!

As Fed said so eloquently at the '09 USO, "I'll talk when I want." ***throws water bottle disdainfully and adds expletive deleted."

:-))))

Now, what really IS tough, that by the time I got to the extended Roger/Rafa giggle fest video link, it had been removed from the site...prolly to salvage the last shreds of their dignity. Anyone got a version that HASN'T been deleted?

Posted by Kristy 08/19/2010 at 11:34 AM

Annie, my niece is also going to Geneva for the year, and my sister is also verklempt! I know it's a wrench but he will have a wonderful time, as Cherry says.

Gauloises, why did you hate Tim H?

Posted by Annie (Vamos Heavenly Creature) 08/19/2010 at 11:35 AM

Murray seems like a pleasant enough fellow off court. *shrugs* But, G, I had to laugh when he bought himself the 'used' Ferrari. Scots are supposed to be very frugal, no? And that was so Scottish of him!

Posted by Aussiemarg,Madame President.I'am Back and I Am Taking No Prisoners! 08/19/2010 at 11:36 AM

Ok I am nuts they have to play that stupid t/breaker first to 10 in doubles

I was just getting over excited when I score the score

Hmm bring back the old scoring in doubles.This new wave scoring Stinks

See that my Tommy looks like he is going out I blame the Worm of course

Posted by Arun 08/19/2010 at 11:37 AM

Some people say that British media is why they don't like him.

"The depth of antipathy to Murray I've seen at times does surprise me"
+100000000.

But I do find the incessant schadenfreude (honey-coated as coolness or snark), intolerance/indifference towards anything and everything related to Federer (or Rafa, for that matter) surprising, too.

Posted by Aussiemarg,Madame President.I'am Back and I Am Taking No Prisoners! 08/19/2010 at 11:38 AM

Hmmm they lost

Gives Evil glance to the Worm like pfft.

Posted by GB 08/19/2010 at 11:38 AM

CL: nina posted a link that's still working at 9.37

Posted by nina 08/19/2010 at 11:39 AM

Hello TW! CL thus one works http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kelRyZ6lHQ

Posted by Aussiemarg,Madame President.I'am Back and I Am Taking No Prisoners! 08/19/2010 at 11:39 AM

Wow The Sugar Queen is doing her thing in the 1st set

Looks like a bagel coming up

Posted by gauloises (unrepentant FOOP) 08/19/2010 at 11:39 AM

Bought it and then got rid of it, Annie – no doubt making a profit : )

Kristy – do you know, I don’t really remember? It probably had a lot to do with the hype, and those dreadful faux fist-pumps. I like him much more now he’s retired.

Also his wife went to my school, and with the exception of my best friend and my old R.E. teacher, I have an instinctive animosity towards anything remotely connected with there.

Posted by Aussiemarg,Madame President.I'am Back and I Am Taking No Prisoners! 08/19/2010 at 11:41 AM

Arun How is Richards ROS these days

I forget

Hell he has to play The Sockless Wonder like pfft.

Make that more pfft.

Posted by Master Ace 08/19/2010 at 11:41 AM

Aussiemarg,
Look like Iveta may be emotionally flat after her win over Jelena on Tuesday.

Posted by Aussiemarg,Madame President.I'am Back and I Am Taking No Prisoners! 08/19/2010 at 11:43 AM

I have also noticed with Murray he dosent scratch "you know what below" anymore

I am glad he has moved on.

Posted by Kwaku 08/19/2010 at 11:43 AM

Maybe I should've been more specific.

I want reasons why the number of times a player has been year-end-no.1 is better metrics or measuring stick of greatness than, say, the number of times a player has been summer-solstice-no.1.

I understand Vie's idea about the beat of our lives, but it's subjective, and my question is more technical. Similar to Gauloises' idea of "the season is taken in calendar years" (who IS missing something, but prolly due to my fault).

My question is more a statistical one: if we sort payers A) according to an independent and widely-agreed metrics for greatness (say, number of slams, or something more nuanced but plausible); B) according to number of times year-end-no.1; C) according to number of times winter-solstice-no.1: ¿Is there any reason to think that list B will look more similar to A than C?

Posted by Aussiemarg,Madame President.I'am Back and I Am Taking No Prisoners! 08/19/2010 at 11:44 AM

Master Ace Maybe she should ask Marion for some sweets lol!

Posted by Arun 08/19/2010 at 11:44 AM

AM: I haven't watched him playing in Cincy yet.
I think the new and improved Fishy has a better chance to win this one anyway.

Posted by nina 08/19/2010 at 11:44 AM

LOL AM

Posted by Kwaku 08/19/2010 at 11:45 AM

P.S. of course, the criteria for list A should not contain the number of year-end-no.1's.

Posted by Master Ace 08/19/2010 at 11:46 AM

Aussiemarg,
Marion wants to save her sweets as she needs them tomorrow for Victoria or Na. Bagel goods have been delivered.

Posted by gauloises (unrepentant FOOP) 08/19/2010 at 11:47 AM

You're right, Arun - as usual.

I have a bee in my bonnet about people's attitude to Murray these days.

*attempts to kill bee*

Posted by Kristy 08/19/2010 at 11:47 AM

Gotcha, G. I thought Henman seemed too defeated, in his mindset -- he looked spiritless. Not his fault maybe. But at least Murray looks like he wants to win (at times).

Murray Murray Murray! Poor you and your Del Potro drought.

Posted by Annie (Vamos Heavenly Creature) 08/19/2010 at 11:47 AM

Kristy: wow, maybe we should exchange info - is she going to be in school? My son is going to be an au pair for a year, a 'manny' as they call it.

Posted by Aussiemarg,Madame President.I'am Back and I Am Taking No Prisoners! 08/19/2010 at 11:49 AM

Master Ace Point.Though Victoria's match at the moment looks tight which I thought it may be

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