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07/08/2008 - 9:53 PM
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Posted by lulu |
07/09/2008 at 05:46 PM |
They're quite right. |
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Posted by |
07/09/2008 at 05:47 PM |
about Gimelstob, I mean. |
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Posted by lulu |
07/09/2008 at 05:47 PM |
about Gimelstob, I mean. |
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Posted by princepro110 |
07/09/2008 at 05:54 PM |
Question Steve?
I never have read your opinion of a 5th set tie break or playing it out?
Who would have won the 5th set if the tie break was used at 6-6?
My opinion Federer. |
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Posted by tennut |
07/09/2008 at 05:54 PM |
Steve,
If you're going to praise Federer, please do it without being grudging. I realize you're a huge fan of Nadal's but accord the same respect to other champions. |
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Posted by Veruca Salt: Still Reeling |
07/09/2008 at 06:06 PM |
"USTA DISCONTINUES USE OF GIMELSTOB IN US OPEN SERIES ADS
WEDNESDAY, JULY 9 - Sports Illustrated has also stopped using Gimelstob as a blogger."
Good! Hit him where it hurts! The Wallet!! |
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Posted by lulu |
07/09/2008 at 06:12 PM |
"Steve Tignor's The Wrap: The other of Tennis Magazine's blogs, and with a slightly different flavor than TennisWorld, but equally worth your reading time - this one by the executive editor of the magazine. Steve is a technical analyst of the highest order, and to read his take on a match is to understand the players' abilities and stroke mechanics like a pro player yourself. But he also has a very deadpan sense of humor, and covers the cities to which he travels, and takes on other matters in witty asides. Right now, though, the little match yesterday in Paris has posed the philosophical question of the hour: how do you decide how well or badly one player played in a sport as dialectical as tennis, in which the efforts of one directly limit or enable the possibilities of the other? This dilemma is being turned over and over by the fans of Roger Federer, who (according to me) yesterday both lost to the better player on clay, Rafa Nadal, AND played well beneath his best. Steve's take, which is up now, is much more nuanced and typifies his ability to do that very difficult thing: describe what you see."
http://tiny.cc/NudF1 |
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Posted by Adult |
07/09/2008 at 06:15 PM |
Will Roger ever recover from this truly devastating and heartbreaking loss by him on Sunday, 4:48 of pure disappointment, misery, exhaustion and darkness at the end?
Only time in the future will determine if and/or when he recovers, how it affects him, how he handles it and how he plays from now (starting in Toronto in 2 weeks) on through next year's Wimbledon.
Then everyone can and will see for themselves.
Until then, nobody knows, including Roger himself. |
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Posted by Sandra |
07/09/2008 at 06:39 PM |
Jeremy, I like my sports bloody, sweaty and a tad loud - hence my preference for Nadal. I have been watching tennis since the 70's and stopped watching men's tennis in the early 2000's and didn't start watching again until 2005 when I first saw Nadal play (I didn't see any of his matches on TV until the start of the clay season when I got access to The Tennis Channel). Nadal rekindles my interest in/excitement about men's tennis. I admire Federer, his game and his incredible accomplishments, but he doesn't grab me viscerally the way Nadal does. Just an idiosyncratic preference. |
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Posted by Sandra |
07/09/2008 at 06:41 PM |
Swiss Maestro: you repeat so often your mantra about Nadal's knees not holding out that one gets the impression that you're willing it to happen. |
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Posted by Sandra |
07/09/2008 at 06:45 PM |
Gimelstob has learned a hard lesson from letting himself get pulled down into the muck by a bunch of radio shock jocks. He'll be forgiven soon enough, and he won't make that same mistake again anytime soon. |
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Posted by Christin |
07/09/2008 at 06:51 PM |
Brad Gilbert deserves an F-. Throughout Wimbledon, he came across as a endlessly repetetive super-annoying over-the-top Rafa Kool Aid Drinker, and unforgivably lacking in respect for Federer. His "analysis' was facile and predictable. His smug grin while forever extolling Rafa to the skies made me want to turn the channel whenever I saw him. The fact that he chose the right bandwagon to jump on doesn't absove him from being a bandwagon riding clown. |
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Posted by vanessa |
07/09/2008 at 07:03 PM |
I enjoyed this article very much. I think the match was great. Exciting and dramatic. I still think that Nadal should have won in 4 sets. I think that it wasn't that Roger kept it going, but that Nadal choked. I realize that coming back and winning in the end showed great mental strength on the part of Rafa. I also realize that Roger was not his usual self (he never seems to be anymore when playing Rafa which makes me believe it is a mental issue). So for me A+ I would only give Venus. A for Rafa and A- for Roger who can't help but still be arrogant and bitter underneath his perceived class and sportsmanship. I am glad that you at least so a bit of that and I hope that everyone read the transcript of the post match press conference where he talks about the conditions as if they only affected him!!. Anyway, better luck next time for Rafa I mean. Here is hoping he doesn't waste another opportunity like he had on Sunday to finish up a match without leaving lingering doubts about his ability! |
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Posted by Narik |
07/09/2008 at 07:15 PM |
Steve, wonderful article. There is one point that I have to disagree on. Federer deserves an A+, as well. As others have noted, he fully deserves it. This is coming from a HUGE Nadal fan who needed an ambulance on stand-by everytime Fed had break point. No one else could have made me so terrified against Nadal. I give myself a swift kick in the a** for ever letting the thought cross my mind that Safin should have won the semi. Who else could have given us such quality tennis match besides Federer? A+ to Federer (and an A+++ for RAFA!)! |
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Posted by Christin |
07/09/2008 at 07:27 PM |
I agree with those who say that this is the type of loss that either breaks a player (Borg in '81) or makes them dig deeper into their reserves of character and greatness. I think this bitter loss will ultimately make Roger even better and greater than before. It will show forever what a fighter he is. I expect him to win many more Grand Slams and Masters Cups in the future, starting this month and next with a sweep of Toronto, Cincy, Olympics and U.S. Open to retain his #1 ranking. Now that his Wimby streak is broken, I think that his U.S. Open streak will become more important to him.
In the end, this loss for Roger could be parallel to Mohammad Ali's loss to Joe Frazier in their first fight in 1971. He then came back to regain the champoinship and reach greater heights of greatness than ever before. That is the mark of a superlative champion. |
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Posted by Davzin |
07/09/2008 at 07:34 PM |
The attendees at Center Court deserve A++...they helped in a big way to create the electric mood of this titanic match for the ages. We had the flat panel & seven speaker sound system cranked from the very beginning, and never knew that 16K people could be so QUIET!! The near silence prior to points in the 5th set made the palms sweat, and the nerves jangle. There are some misguided souls that feel tennis & golf need the drunken, moronic screamers that inhabit most of the sports viewing landscape. After last month's US Open victory by TW, and this superlative final, let's leave the shabby rock concert atmosphere to the Super Bowl, the NBA, Nascar, and all the other 'sports' that can't sell themselves
without a side-show circus to entertain the rabble.
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Posted by sally |
07/09/2008 at 07:52 PM |
gilbert is just pissed that roger didn't ask him to be his coa |
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Posted by sally |
07/09/2008 at 07:53 PM |
sorry, coach. |
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Posted by sally |
07/09/2008 at 07:53 PM |
sorry, coach. |
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Posted by sally |
07/09/2008 at 07:53 PM |
sorry, coach. |
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Posted by Monica |
07/09/2008 at 07:56 PM |
Zeg, I don't usually like to express myself so strongly but I think your battle metaphors are no less delusional than Harrell's religious ones. For many of us, tennis is not just a winner-takes-it-all proposition. It is also an enjoyable game that can be played for its own sake, a game which takes two people to be great. It's that winning is everything mentality that probably made Bjorg and Henin burn out and retire prematurely. Fortunately, I think both Rafa and Roger are much more level-headed than that. |
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Posted by Peace |
07/09/2008 at 08:19 PM |
Who cares that the "underachievers" didn't get graded! The overachievers (Rafa & Rog) made me forget that there was anyone else at tournament besides the two of them. |
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Posted by Jeremy |
07/09/2008 at 08:20 PM |
@Sandra - `I like my sports bloody, sweaty and a tad loud'
I think that's the sort of explanation of how one appreciates Nadal's game that I had ben looking for when I initially posed my question. I guess that aspect of Nadal's game appeals to me too, but over the course of a match I find it numbing, while Federer's variety keeps me guessing. But I appreciate your answer. As for it being an idiosyncratic preference, so is my preference for Federer's aesthetically pleasing sense of balance and posture.
@Davzin - `let's leave the shabby rock concert atmosphere to . . . the other 'sports' that can't sell themselves without a side-show circus to entertain the rabble'
I so agree! Tennis is a sport that requires such acute mental concentration, no one can play it at a high level while being distracted by even the tiniest of things. This is why nerves can be so devastating to a player's game. If it were, say, sprinting, a person could simply continue running even with his heart in his mouth, and it might even make him faster. But as for the crowd deserving A++, there was a point near the end of the match where the umpire had to chastise them for using flash photography. It's terrible etiquette to do so during a tennis match! The only time I'd say it's all right is during an exhibition match where the players are also just out to have fun. So what say we split the crowd. Most of the people in the crowd probably deserve an A++, but I'd have the flash photographers stand in the corner. |
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Posted by Fudoshin |
07/09/2008 at 09:07 PM |
F for Luke Jensen. Do you homework and try to pronounce everyone's names as they should be pronounced. There's no merit in Americanizing the pronunciation. |
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Posted by zeg |
07/09/2008 at 09:18 PM |
Monica, tennis surely is a fun game to play on a weekend with your family and friends - as you call it "for its own sake". However, THAT tennis has very little in common with the professional kind, where, like it or not, only the victory matters. Roger's reference to that after his loss sort of illustrates that point (he said that maybe in the future it may be fun to remember he was part of a great match but it doesn't help him now. He also used the word "hurts" when discussing his defeat.)
My main attraction to Nadal's game is his attitude - the guy simply refuses to lose. Sometimes it is called "guts", and it happens to be the rarest commodity in the known universe, not just in tennis. Elsewhere on this forum someone actually referred to Nadal as an inspirational figure and I totally agree with that point of view. Winning IS everything in sports - why bother to compete otherwise? And who would care to watch?
Scrappy Rafa defeated majestic Roger in a fair battle, with due respect. Federer is arguably a more gifted player, but, just like in life, I'll take guts and perseverance over talent anytime. |
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Posted by |
07/09/2008 at 09:23 PM |
Some people here dislike Djokovic a lot, but I think you do not know him so well....
Have you seen this?
"Djokovic, the world No.3 from Serbia, watched the final while on holiday in Italy, during which he sent a text to Benito Perez-Barbadillo, his PR manager, who does the same job for Nadal. “I still have a lot to learn,” it read."
Source: www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sp...
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Posted by bluesunflower |
07/09/2008 at 09:24 PM |
hi chinkyv101 11.30
I thought i was the only one that scoured the internet reading articles about the final |
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Posted by steve |
07/09/2008 at 10:03 PM |
i think federer will react well. he's a dedicated pro who doesn't seem wound too tight or on the verge of burnout, a la borg. he enjoys tennis still and appreciates winning, because he didn't always dominate the tour. plus, no one else has come close to beating him in the last two slams other than nadal.
enjoyed the ted robinson f- review above.
that review of my blog was written by a friend of mine, btw.
here's part of a paragraph from the foster wallace piece, exemplifying the dubious dichotomy he constructed between federer and nadal in 2006 (i think i only mentioned this article once before, but whatever)
"There’s the great care Roger Federer takes to hang the sport coat over his spare courtside chair’s back, just so, to keep it from wrinkling — he’s done this before each match here, and something about it seems childlike and weirdly sweet. Or the way he inevitably changes out his racket sometime in the second set, the new one always in the same clear plastic bag closed with blue tape, which he takes off carefully and always hands to a ballboy to dispose of. There’s Nadal’s habit of constantly picking his long shorts out of his bottom as he bounces the ball before serving, his way of always cutting his eyes warily from side to side as he walks the baseline, like a convict expecting to be shanked."
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Posted by Sher |
07/09/2008 at 10:16 PM |
I think Harrell's article was done on short notice so it doesn't look like Jon is the only tennis writer SI has :) |
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Posted by izidane |
07/09/2008 at 11:32 PM |
Well done. Couldn't put it into words myself, so I left the 'dirty' work to the likes of you.
ESPN get a C+ for the endless roundtables while live maches were going on. We missed a set of Lindsey's while they talked about her...then threw in a long montage.
NBC. Big fat F, they ruined Wimbledon for the west coast veiwers. BTW I will NEVER watch the Today show.
Andy, Nole and James get D's. They've got the game, they even had the draw .
Oh, I shed some tears too and I'm a FOOP. |
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Posted by sarah |
07/09/2008 at 11:57 PM |
I don't think it is right to compare Nadal's and Borg's FO and Wimbledon back to back wins. The courts were as different as night and day when Borg won. Now the grass plays slower and is much more similar to the clay. Nadal's wins were a great accomplishment, but weren't Borg's even more amazing? |
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Posted by jazzy |
07/10/2008 at 12:23 AM |
Eben Harrell is exactly the kind of elitist Federer fan snot who has ruined tennis for the rest of us folks who can appreciate a variety of different tennis talents and not hold our pointy noses in the air seeking only "beautiful tennis". I wouldn't be surprised if Federer's fanboys embraced that drivel as their battle cry. |
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Posted by robnehmeth |
07/10/2008 at 12:38 AM |
Mary Carillo - F
I had the mute button on when she was on, would turn it on half way through a point and she would STILL be talking. For God's sake, McEnroe's learned to shut up during the point and now she can't keep her stupid mouth SHUT.
Davydenko - F for being ranked fourth and get his but bounced in the first round
Dementiava - F for the comment she made regarding the Williams' final.
Gimelstob - F still the worst commentator ever... someone bag him please. |
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Posted by dnrood |
07/10/2008 at 01:25 AM |
Tennis facts,
Really Roger choked this match away. Can you seriously say that? If anything Rafa choked in this match and if he hadn't won the 5th this would have been crushing to him pschologically. Up 5-2 in the 4th set tie break, match on your serve and you double fault and dump an easy backhand into the net. He gave Roger a lease on this match. Roger being the champion he is took advantage and extended the match.
I think Roger tried everything he could to win this match. He tried to squeeze the area to his backhand into a 4' x 4' area, trying to hit almost exclusively forehands. He may have tightened up towards the end of the Fifth set or maybe he was just starting to fatigue a little. But I can excuse him a few errors when he's trying to blow a winner past Rafa. If anything we have learned watching Rafa is that he is going to cause guys to go for too much because they know only the best is going to win points, otherwise they get ridiculous winners shot back at them. Lastly, after blowing a fourth set tie break like Rafa did, Roger would have presumed against anyone else this is his match, but he knew he would have to play his best to beat Rafa in the fifth.
Personally, I hope Rafa can elevate his game on hard courts so he can meet Roger in a USO final. He will have to increase the number of winners he can produce on that surface to be a force, but with the relatively few amount of errors he makes that would make him a force even on hards. He might get blown away and maybe he wouldn't. Either way there would be alot of eyes on that match in the States and that's what tennis needs to rebound here in the US. |
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Posted by Eddy |
07/10/2008 at 01:39 AM |
"Dementiava - F for the comment she made regarding the Williams' final."
What did she say? |
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Posted by Eddy |
07/10/2008 at 02:42 AM |
"I don't think it is right to compare Nadal's and Borg's FO and Wimbledon back to back wins. The courts were as different as night and day when Borg won. Now the grass plays slower and is much more similar to the clay. Nadal's wins were a great accomplishment, but weren't Borg's even more amazing?"
At least Nadal gets a plus for having to beat Fed both times to get it.
dnrood, I expect Nadal to get to the quarters. |
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Posted by vix |
07/10/2008 at 04:03 AM |
It is so surprising that a lot of people think Nadal's game is not elegant. Photo after photo (of this and other tournaments)shows how Nadal's game photographs beautifully. Photos freeze increments of time and they invariably show Nadal's fantastic body positioning whenever he's playing. Yet unlike Federer's game which photograph's like a dance, or a butterfly in flight, Nadal's has a more primal beauty to it: like a lion leaping on his prey, or lightning bursting from a cloud. Yes, I believe power can be graceful. |
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Posted by Aussie Angel (In Honour of Avid) |
07/10/2008 at 04:50 AM |
I would give Serena a C+ because I thought she was rude and sulky. |
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Posted by Shayle |
07/10/2008 at 05:47 AM |
Spot on!
(Yes, I know that sounds very stupid and I'm not even British, but I think you get my meaning...) |
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Posted by zeg |
07/10/2008 at 06:02 AM |
steve,
Thanx for posting that ludicrous quote from the article I would never care to read otherwise. What are these people smoking? They should've never strayed from covering synchronized swimming.
Btw, how do guys like Ted get a broadcasting job? Whose uncle's neighbor's girlfriend's brother-in-law they happen to know? Either that, or Ted's got some serious dirt on Johnny Mac...
Speaking of John: I've noticed he's a lot less talkative when commentating on BBC, at least during the points. Wish he and the rest of the wall-to-wall background noisemakers would read the excellent recent TW article on the subject and heed the advice of its follow-up: STFU!
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Posted by El |
07/10/2008 at 07:10 AM |
The end of the Serena one was hilarious! |
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Posted by Rain |
07/10/2008 at 07:34 AM |
@Vix
They wanted to see Rafa's right hand sway like holding a fan fanning his underarm whenever he hits a forehand and should his fingers splayed beautifully on the air like receiving manicure/nailpolishing job from someone.
They wanted to see Rafa flips his head in opposite direction whenever he hit a backhand stroke.
They wanted to see Rafa's both arms splayed completely like a rainbow color winged butterfly whenever he hit a stroke while on the run.
IN SHORTS, they wanted to see a tennis player doing exactly what a valley dancer is doing.
...and I'd say, they are in the wrong venue, they should go watch YOU THINK YOU CAN DANCE? sort of to satisfy their thirst of elegance.
I can't believe too why the type of play is become an issue. |
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Posted by Rain |
07/10/2008 at 07:38 AM |
typog: should be *ballet dancer* |
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Posted by Marian...wtg Rafa! |
07/10/2008 at 08:55 AM |
Crazy-for-Rog:"Bottom line - Rafa played out of his mind, and deserved to win."- Uhm, no, he didn't play out of his mind, but somewhat restrained (by injuries?).
Dnrod: yes. |
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Posted by jetsetter |
07/10/2008 at 09:05 AM |
Lets FACE IT!!!, Wimbledon 2008 is for RAFA,..end discussion |
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Posted by jetsetter |
07/10/2008 at 09:22 AM |
to all FEDERRER fans,,,
your HERO, is a classic great player and already in the history of tennis world. A champion in everyones heart and will never be fade away, wether HE loose or win in one or twice tournaments, Federrer is still the world ranking "1".
to all NADAL fans,,,
The World no.2. You guys believes that ala GLADIATOR, will win Wimbledon title one day, and HE did...must be proud and happy... |
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Posted by svelterogue |
07/10/2008 at 09:48 AM |
LOL @ rain
word! why people expect rafa to move like some dancer while playing tennis is outrageous, indeed. :D |
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Posted by Jim |
07/10/2008 at 10:03 AM |
How can you possibly give Chris Fowler a B, the guy did everything
but say the words that he wanted Nadal to win the tournament. The
whole event ESPN people were infatuated with this new stat about
the spin rate Nadal has on his forehand, everyone else is in the
2000-2500 range while Nadal is in the 4500-5000 range.
Would anyone at ESPN believe that an NFL player was bench pressing twice as much as anyone else in the sport without
performance enhancers, yet not one of them questioned this about
Nadal. |
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Posted by hdelrio |
07/10/2008 at 10:18 AM |
For all the people who are hating on Rafa, give me a break...he is exactly what tennis needed. A shot in the arm, before he came along it was all one sided. Now that the Fed has some real competition tennis is interesting again. McEnroe said it the best, "Hey Rafa, from a tennis players point of view thanks that was a greatly entertaining match."
As for the report card, great job. I would have to give Rafa, The Fed, Bjorkman, and Venus all A+. For the worst, all the American men. Guys, that was pathetic. Brad Gilbert, please pick a side and stay with it, the dude changes his mind every twenty seconds.
BTW-I am a Fed fan and I am a Rafa fan. Best rivalry since Sampras-Agassi. |
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Posted by SwissMaestro |
07/10/2008 at 10:22 AM |
Sandra-
I point it out a lot because it is there for all of us to see. Rafa would not be using those wraps around his knees if he did not need them. They don't keep his knees from getting the 'damage' they just slow down what is inevitable. |
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Posted by SwissMaestro |
07/10/2008 at 10:29 AM |
Something tells me that should Federer had won Wimbledon the match would have not been rated as great as it has been for Nadal beating him. It would have been more like "well, he was the 5-time defending champions after all, right? so why sing his praises again for a 6th consecutive title even when it is an open era record?"
I also think Federer will bounce back strong. In my view this bruising loss (there's no other way ti put it) has liberated him and gave him something to think about. He has to re-take the thought of having to prooved to everyone and himself he is the best there is. When he is in this kind of mood he is even greater to watch, he plays as if he has the obligation to live uo to his gifts. |
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Posted by hdelrio |
07/10/2008 at 10:56 AM |
I cannot wait until the hard court season gets into full swing and the big boys start to play. I want to see if Rafa can continue this streak that he is on. I think that the Fed will be fine, and SwissMaestro I think that you are correct in your assumption of the tv ratings. If Fed had won the match then it would be "oh ho hum he won again." However, with Rafa winning it made for better ratings...even though the fact that they both put everything on the line was the major contributing factor. |
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Posted by Mr Rick |
07/10/2008 at 11:06 AM |
Swiss Maestro - i'm starting to find your wishing ill to Rafa a little creepy and mendacious. |
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Posted by Tony |
07/10/2008 at 11:40 AM |
Steve asks: What are the elements that go into “greatest” matches? he answers: level of play and style. Adding to that, I would say: occasion. The occasion determines the "greatest matches" as well. And the Wimbledon final was overflowing with occasion: 6 titles for Roger or back to back FO-Wimby titles for Nadal? The occasion was that this was an EITHER/OR proposition. It could not be BOTH/AND... Note that Roger's defeat ended his record run on grass... And Nadal repeated something that was last witnessed to in 1980... So, I say, level of play, style, and occasion. |
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Posted by Eddy |
07/10/2008 at 11:41 AM |
"BTW-I am a Fed fan and I am a Rafa fan. Best rivalry since Sampras-Agassi."
Tell me about it!
SwissMaestro, in response to your statement, from what I saw, I don't think Fed could play better in that final than he did. I'd say 80% of the time, he could have lost even worse than he did. I just think Nadal has been the best player in the world for the last few months. Anyway, there is still a lot of pressure on Fed as he is coming on a part of the season where he has a lot of points and normally the best in the world, whereas Nadal has a lot of points to gain and is simply one of the top players. |
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Posted by Jen |
07/10/2008 at 11:52 AM |
Daveydanko deserved an F, so did Novak, Ana, Maria, and Andy Roddick. |
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Posted by Veruca Salt: Still Reeling |
07/10/2008 at 11:58 AM |
Jim: Okay..we all get what you're saying. Rafa is a drug cheat because there's just no other explanation for his victory.
*rolls eyes* |
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Posted by Nick |
07/10/2008 at 12:14 PM |
Dunno how Federer will come out of this one. It's 50-50. If anything is still turning in his head, besides losing outright, it's probably the Second Set. He held to go up 4-1, then watched as Nadal reeled off the next 5 games to take the set 6-4. It's the third time this year Nadal's done this kind of retaliation to him: Monte Carlo, down 4-0 to come back; and Hamburg, down 5-1 to come back, winning both sets. That it happens against Nadal on clay isn't that surprising, but does anyone remember someone taking five straight games from Federer on grass? Those kind of rescues that Nadal's pulled off against him this year are the things that stay in your head.
Steve's right that Nadal's tightening up in the 3rd Set opened the door for Federer. Had Nadal stayed steady in the 3rd Set 7th Game by flipping one of those 3 Break Points, he might have won this thing in straights, which is stunning to contemplate Federer going down that way at Wimbledon. Federer smelled Nadal's tentative tightening up, and worked his way back in. But I'm not sure if it's better or worse for him to have fought that hard for that long and still come up short in the end. If it was me, I'd feel worse mounting a comeback that didn't work, especially on my best surface.
The truth might be as simple as it's always been for tennis players throughout history: Federer, at age 27 (next month), looks like he's lost about a 1/4 to a 1/2 step. He can get away with that against guys that he's always been supremely superior too. But against younger guys like Nadal and even Djokovic, he's gonna have to work harder than he's had to before to beat them. He can still beat them - he's Roger Federer, after all - it'll just be tougher to pull it off. |
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Posted by Eddy |
07/10/2008 at 12:15 PM |
Well Veruca Salt...isn't this the year Nadal started running instead of just training on a bike?! ;-) |
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Posted by SwissMaestro |
07/10/2008 at 12:34 PM |
Mr Rick-
Not really. I don't think it is creepy and mendacious to call it like i see it as I try to explain my points. I don't like Rafa's game but I respect him and admit when he has been better, don't try to look for an excuse to cause controversy. |
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Posted by SwissMaestro |
07/10/2008 at 12:35 PM |
Eddy-
True. We'll see how it unfolds. |
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Posted by backslasher |
07/10/2008 at 12:53 PM |
Posted by Christin 07/09/2008
"Brad Gilbert deserves an F-. Throughout Wimbledon, he came across as a endlessly repetetive super-annoying over-the-top Rafa Kool Aid Drinker, and unforgivably lacking in respect for Federer. His "analysis' was facile and predictable. His smug grin while forever extolling Rafa to the skies made me want to turn the channel whenever I saw him. The fact that he chose the right bandwagon to jump on doesn't absove him from being a bandwagon riding clown."
ROTFL. Someone sounds bitter that Gilbert was right about his prediction that Nadal would win Wimbledon this year. :) |
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Posted by frances |
07/10/2008 at 12:59 PM |
MasterAce, thank you. Because as you know, it's my undying devotion to Venus and Serena that is responsible for their win.
Yippee!!! Did I say I'm ecstatic? |
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Posted by Slice-n-Dice |
07/10/2008 at 01:04 PM |
backslasher,
I just read the article in question, and the writer/reporter, Curtis Eichelberger, does not prescribe anything of the sort. Whatnhe does is REPORT that many marketing execs -- those who decide who will get the big endorsement deals -- think that Rafa's English-language speaking skills are still too lacking and his personality a bit too hidden by his naural modesty to expect that he'll suddenly become a huge endorsement star, a la Andre Agassi, simply because he has now done the near-impossible -- dethroning Federer at Wimbledon, becoming only the second male Spaniard to win the coveted title and the first in 42 years, and becoming the first man since Bjorn Borg to win the French crwon and Wimbledon back-to-back.
I see nothing wrong at all in the reportage. Even his PR manager, Benito Perez-Barbadillo, agrees with the marketing execs: "His image has grown very much because of winning Wimbledon, but it won't change the way he is," Perez-Barbadillo said. "We've been working on his marketability for four years. It's very simple. Follow what he is: humble, down to earth." |
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Posted by kikkre |
07/10/2008 at 01:05 PM |
the Cardigan stinks |
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Posted by rafalution |
07/10/2008 at 01:17 PM |
N for having equal prize money for both men and women....
women's tennis is just so boring, no depth, top players like the williamses don't have to work hard and can still win
very unfair indeed for men having to play for sets, less wage....
women claim they can and will play five sets shall it be forced upon them, please......look at peer and safina match for instance..... |
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Posted by Eddy |
07/10/2008 at 01:20 PM |
I think women should be paid equally Not to play five sets...how boring would that be... |
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Posted by sally |
07/10/2008 at 01:43 PM |
justin gimelstob gets the F for reinforcing the frat-boy, crude-mannered american with his boorish, sexist comments and tennis channel gets low marks for keeping him around. |
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Posted by marron |
07/10/2008 at 01:52 PM |
SwissMaestro, I think your keyboard letters 'k''n''e''e''s' will wear out long before Rafa's knees will. |
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Posted by Sam |
07/10/2008 at 01:52 PM |
I agree with most of these grades. But Roger Federer should not have gotten an A especially after all of those unforced errors in the final. He elevated his game in the end but he very nearly lost in straight sets. I'd give him an A- or B+. As for F or D that should go to Novak Djokovic for bragging Federer is declining and then losing before the third set. |
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Posted by Eddy |
07/10/2008 at 02:10 PM |
I think Fed gets an A for losing three sets in the tournament. Nadal A+ for having to beat Fed to win Wimbledom. |
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Posted by SueB |
07/10/2008 at 02:19 PM |
Enjoyable article--thanks Steve.
As far as the F grade, it is shared by the petal skirt tennis dress, the trench coat, and the white tux. The cardigan plus warm-up trousers gets less than an F.
Brooklyn from the Borough made the point that these costumes reflect a mindset that has little to do with championship tennis. I agree. How can you play like a champion when masquerading as tinkerbell, a refugee from a Carnaby Street cinema, a 1930s Berlin club singer, or a character from Brideshead Revisited?
Nike and Adidas (and the players they sponsor) must be losing their minds. |
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Posted by princepro110 |
07/10/2008 at 02:24 PM |
Gimelstob has been a jerk from his Junior days thru his professional career and by his recent remarks as a media guy. Why would any media guy with any knowledge of tennis even offer this guy a job if they had done a background check? Now if they wanted to show an "ugly American"........then he would be the first to get the job. The USTA/Tennis Channel should fire him immediately or he might have a gig on the Imus Show on WABC! |
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Posted by mwu |
07/10/2008 at 02:44 PM |
Not sure where to put this, but remember that terrible ESPN column Bill Simmons wrote a couple weeks ago, which Steve and Kamakshi both eviscerated? ("Who cares about Wimbledon? Not me." or somesuch.)
For what it's worth, Simmons did admit a bit of a mea culpa and actually spent one of his podcasts talking with James Blake. Not a bad listen (though Simmons has an unfortunate speaking voice). |
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Posted by Jim |
07/10/2008 at 02:45 PM |
Veronica, you haven't been paying attention to sports the last 8
years, even if Rafa lost, his first serve went form 105mph a year ago to the 120's now. If Jimmy Connor's could've jumped his that much in a year he'd have won 20 grand slams, Rafa didn't get those
arms fishing and swinging a tennis racket. Fortunately for you,
uncle tony's not going to let anyone get close to what they've been putting in him. |
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Posted by SwissMaestro |
07/10/2008 at 03:14 PM |
marron-
I assure you they won't! =) |
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Posted by rafafan |
07/10/2008 at 03:32 PM |
Jim you are reaching. |
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Posted by Jim |
07/10/2008 at 03:56 PM |
rafafan, You haven't been paying attention either, when an athlet
in any sport is described as having a freakish strength that no
one else in their sport has, it's not a reach for me to make conclusions that newspapers around the world have already made |
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Posted by rafafan |
07/10/2008 at 04:06 PM |
In every sport there is always and uncommon athelete, one that can only be described as a phenomenon. I believe this is what we have with Rafael Nadal. I believe this because my own son has uncommon strength and ability at the very young age of 13 and has been that way since birth, so I know it can happen, albeit rare.
And I assure you that I have been paying attention. |
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Posted by rafafan |
07/10/2008 at 04:09 PM |
In every sport there is always an uncommon athelete that can only be described as a phenomenon. I believe that is what we have here.
I believe that because my own son has always had incredible strenghth and power for his young age and has been that way since birth.
Believe me, I have been paying attention. |
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Posted by JillfromNY |
07/10/2008 at 04:27 PM |
Great article.
But, the cardigan is awful. The only tennis player who seems to be able to pull off the fashion stuff is Serena...maybe because she is authentically into fashion...it's always been a part of her personality since she started as a pro. With Fed and Pova, it comes across as a crass marketing strategy. It's a turn-off.
I didn't read all of the responses in this thread, so I apologize if I am repeating what someone has already said, but Ana Ivanovic deserves a D for her performance. To say she was not dialed in is an understatement.
Oh, and Steve you should give low grades to all of your media brethren who selected Pova to win Wimby even though she has been unsuccessful in getting through Venus at Wimby. |
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Posted by Eddy |
07/10/2008 at 04:46 PM |
Never thought much of Gimelstob. It's not the first antifemale comment I've heard from him. If he's indeed a charming guy, it's certainly not worth more than the comments he's made to date. I'm tired of reading about him...I can't wait for the first masters in two weeks! argh! |
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Posted by Johnny |
07/10/2008 at 05:04 PM |
Verdasco me da asco.
Regards,
J.T. |
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Posted by Earl |
07/10/2008 at 06:12 PM |
1/13 break points
52 UNforced errors
66% 1st serve
Still barely lost 9-7 in the 5th and final set in 4:48.
If Roger actually played well, he would've won in 3 straight sets.
However, except for at Shanghai in November in each of the last 2 years, and a few other occasions, he does not play well against Nadal usually, even on grass.
It must be style of play, matchup and mental.
That's a bad sign and trend for Roger against Nadal.
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Posted by Steph |
07/10/2008 at 06:28 PM |
As always I would like to award mary carillo with an F-. She obviously has no idea whats going on, lots of her comments are too long whinded and interfere with points and she links EVERYTHING to the Williams sisters. When she has to analyze a shot she comes out with and obvious safe comment like, ohh he looks tight there. ( she sounds like a man but not her fault). I completely agree that federer second guessed himself on break points and i realized he almost never won the point at ad federer. At least we saw glimpses that rog still has it in him, can he mentally rebuild his confidence, I don't know. But right now Nadal looks unstoppable. |
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Posted by Rick |
07/10/2008 at 06:39 PM |
Federer did commit an unsightly 52 UNforced errors, which is even higher on grass and even worse on grass and even more difficult to do on grass, and the 1/13 break points and 0/6 in the 3rd set were horrible too, most misses on his own easy UNforced errors wide, long or into net.
Yes Federer played badly and even his own 1st serve percentage was bad and low for him at 66%, and as badly as he played for him, he still lost a very close and long match of 4:48 and 9-7 in the 5th and final set.
His own nerves and pressure of expectations and success and wins and his own mentality versus Nadal are the major reasons why this continues happening far too often versus Nadal.
Nadal is in his head clearly, and until Federer changes this, these losses by his own bad play will continue to happen head to head most of the time.
Federer deserves a C grade for his bad performance, and he still almost won.
When he plays well, he wins easily.
Him playing well just doesn't happen much versus Nadal.
That's all. |
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Posted by zig |
07/10/2008 at 06:50 PM |
Serena: B+. Had a soft draw and then for the 6th straight major looked out of sorts and just couldn't get it done when it counted most. With Henin gone, it should be her time again.
Jankovic: B. Failed take advantage of a great chance to become No. 1 and usurp her Serbian rival. Extra credit for the comments about the parking lot, though.
Vaidisova: B. Winning some matches was nice, but for the next tournament remember to keep the ball in the court against players you should beat.
Djokovic: F. You can't talk like that and then lose so meekly in the 2nd round. |
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Posted by Tennis Serve |
07/10/2008 at 08:57 PM |
Great wrap up, really good read! That was the most thrilling final I have ever watched. I was going for Federer and was so sure he'd get there in the end. I thought his experience would get him over the line as they got further and further on in the match. He started out poorly with a lot of unforced errors but once they got going it was amazing how in particular his serve really fired up when it counted. |
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Posted by Monkey |
07/10/2008 at 09:03 PM |
Here are my grades for players...
The underachievers...
Sharapova- F-
Djokovic- F
Nalbandian- D (complained of injury)
Roddick- D
Davydenko- F
More Coming up! |
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Posted by Monkey |
07/10/2008 at 09:13 PM |
The Underachievers... (cont.)
Gasquet- D (lost from two sets up)
Almagro- C (could have done better)
Ivanovic- C
Jankovic- F (lost in straight sets to T. Tansugaran)
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Posted by Monkey |
07/10/2008 at 09:22 PM |
The Overachievers...
Tipsy- B+
Schuettler- A-
Clement- B+
Nadal- A+ (finally wins a Wimbledon)
Ancic- A- (did not expect to make far)
Safin- A- (great breakthrough)(close to winning)
Federer- A+ (played best tennis) (not good enough for Nadal though)
Zheng- A (breakthrough like Safin) (maybe better next year)
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Posted by Blue:Mokez |
07/10/2008 at 09:23 PM |
Great Monkey!
Write more |
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Posted by Nagan |
07/10/2008 at 09:59 PM |
The darkness was NOT for both. Once he was broken, Federer had to recieve in light that was much darker than a moment before since the sun was setting fast more and more. Plus, Fed was angry and agitated when Nadal was bouncing the ball too long at 8-7, deuce. |
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Posted by maira |
07/10/2008 at 10:27 PM |
it's ridiculous how the drug abuse controversy in baseball has now everyone suspicious of any good players from other sports, ridiculous....
people think to expose tiger woods, rafa, and dara torres!!!! |
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Posted by tennisfan |
07/10/2008 at 10:30 PM |
why is venus' fifth title being overlooked?
because women's tennis has no depth and variety.....
all the sisters did was whack that ball as hard they can and occasionally move in for a volley....i'm sorry but this style of play i get enough from the other women on tour......
women's tennis is dead, nothing can save it!!!!! |
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Posted by |
07/10/2008 at 10:50 PM |
"The darkness was NOT for both. Once he was broken, Federer had to recieve in light that was much darker than a moment before since the sun was setting fast more and more. Plus, Fed was angry and agitated when Nadal was bouncing the ball too long at 8-7, deuce."
You forgot to mention additional light Nadal had that was generated from his halo. Come on. This is not how Roger wants to remember losing this title and I am sure he does not want his fans to remember it this way either. He fought hard and by 5 points he lost. |
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