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Notebook: "Come On!" Edition
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09/06/2009 - 7:25 PM
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Posted by Andrew |
09/06/2009 at 07:44 PM |
Steve: I posted this about an hour or so ago on Pete's blog. Seems like we have the same thought about the Williams sisters' impact on fans:
I think the Williams sisters do polarize people more than just about any other players in the sport. I think a lot of fans (me included) rooted hard for them on their way up, for the breakthrough they represented. Many of the finals they played in the early part of the decade fizzled, but a lot of time has passed since then.
I personally still admire their athleticism and competitiveness, but technically neither player plays attractively (to me). Then there's the hollering, some of which crosses (for me) the borderline between exertion and intimidation (I think the same is true about Sharapova). So they're not my cup of tea.
I would think a fair number of people in the crowd today had already made up their minds about Venus Williams - many more than would know (or care) about Kim Clijsters being a mom. |
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Posted by pollypurebred |
09/06/2009 at 07:52 PM |
Only another male would think Gimelstob has anything of value to offer. This guy used up his three strikes denigrating various women long ago, and should be wearing a shirt that says "Hire Me."
Give me Cahill and Gilbert any day. |
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Posted by reckoner |
09/06/2009 at 07:57 PM |
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Posted by reckoner |
09/06/2009 at 07:57 PM |
i mean 3rd
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Posted by tennis lover |
09/06/2009 at 08:37 PM |
I second "pollypurebred"'s post. I'm so disappointed with Steve's praise of Gimmelstob as a commentator. He talks too much, but can't stay impartial as a reporter. He always drops names and thinks he's Roddick's best friend. He has no respect for women, yet we're supposed to listen to him pontificate about women players. What a royal jerk!! The only reason why Gimmelstob is employed is because men hire him. Yes, give me Killer and BG any day!! |
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Posted by Paula V. |
09/06/2009 at 09:03 PM |
Good to know I'm not the only one nursing a cold. Unfortunately, I had to tough it out in the USO media center, making multiple trips to the dining hall for tea.
Feel better.
Paula V. |
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Posted by great gams |
09/06/2009 at 09:05 PM |
it's shocking to me that Gimmel-slob is still commentating. while i find BG annoying -- love Cahill -- i'd take him over the blathering, incoherent misogynist any day..... |
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Posted by Corrie (will the "undead Scottish lord" do the job? |
09/06/2009 at 11:38 PM |
I agree with Andrew's comments on the Williams sister, especially the "hollering" and the fact that I never found their games very attractive. I always supported a David with a lot of court craft, like Martina Hingis, against their powerful Goliaths, especially if she had to play first one then the other.
And then there's Serana's ungraciousness when she loses, which is strange, because her mum seems to be the exact opposite.
On the other hand there's precious few other great and interesting players in the women to support. Maybe Kim's comeback, and with a bit of luck, Justine's, will change all that. Kim's win against Venus was pretty darn good. |
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Posted by Nikki Dai |
09/07/2009 at 12:07 AM |
The US Open crowd has embraced rude people like Andy Roddick who intimidates younger players, example Aussie Open with Tsonga and he berates line judges, umpires to the point of it being abuse yet the Williams sisters are polarizing because they 'holler'? Give me a break with the lame excuses. |
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Posted by Max |
09/07/2009 at 01:50 AM |
Killer Cahill & Brad Gilbert > Justin STFUstob |
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Posted by jewell - Make tea, not war. |
09/07/2009 at 02:21 AM |
Hi, everyone. :)
Reading Murray match comments on TW, apparently Gimelstob came out with "Andy Murray - the Pride of England!" I sort of hope he was joking, because otherwise I can't see him as the go-to man for info about today's *male* players, let alone the women.
I like Lindsay Davenport's thoughts on Roddick too.
Hope your cold is better, Steve. :) |
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Posted by Fifimarie, La La Land |
09/07/2009 at 03:00 AM |
Great column, Steve. Seems like most people responded to your thoughts on the William sisters. I've liked 'em and not liked 'em at times. Venus is the more gracious one but I think Serena is trying to follow in her footsteps more. Usually though, arrogant athletes are very popular or is it because she's a woman? A black woman? I wonder. Venus and Serena grunts don't bother me like Sharpy's do! I try to avoid Maria because of that. I've heard that guys will watch her w/the mute on but that doesn't do anything for me. heh heh Besides, I tend to listen to tennis more than watch, unless Nadal is playing!!! I used to hate Gimmelpoop but I have to admit he's improved since I first listened to his drivel on fox sports at IW in March '08. Some exec has told him to stop w/the ridiculous adjectives he used to use & he was always screaming, whatever he said. He's calmed down quite a bit and like you said, actually has interesting observations about the match. BUT he still needs help w/his on-court interviews. I loved it when Tommy Robredo reminded him that most players have a losing record against Fed (after Gimmelpoop asked him about his dismal record against him & what he hoped to do differently when he plays him next). Gimmelpoop's tweets are hilarious as well, that helped me soften on him too. Might as well not hate him, he ain't goin' anywhere. And your comment about Jimbo Connors-- perfect. Never been a big fan of his but I actually like his commentary, who knew? I shouldn't have been surprised. I love Johnny Mac's commentary, too, and yet I couldn't stand him when he was a player. Jimbo & Mac were both a-holes. I wonder if I would've liked 'em better had hawkeye been around in their day..??
Hope you get another chance in the Prez box soon! |
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Posted by GD |
09/07/2009 at 08:37 AM |
Jimmy Connors could be the worst announcer
I have ever heard. Not just in tennis...in any sport.
The word "horrid" comes to mind. GD |
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Posted by princepro110 |
09/07/2009 at 08:42 AM |
Steve:
Again great article on this years event.
TV Coverage:
Shriver: most improved after years of boring coverage....always wondered how she first got the TV gig.
Navratilova: ...she should be prime time on a major network but her lifestyle and delivery ha kept her back. She has more insight to the inner game and funny .....but the accent and rough edges don't make for "fun TV"! How sad.
Connors: my hero but is boring so far in the booth....lets give him 8 years like Shriver to polish his act.
Mac & Mac: love to hear your opinion about the two in the booth but I think they don't come off that great together which is understandable. Break them up and they are better!
Gilbert: love his expressions....."bring on the gas"...."take it down main street"....plus his insights you don't get from the rest of the talking heads including Mac & Mac!
Michael Barkann.......where are you?
LOCAL PAPER COVERAGE:
NY Times.........coverage before & during has been second to none! Today they have two pages and have most of the entire first week. The Bryan bros article in the Sunday magazine last Sunday was first class. They have had great insight articles also like today on how players choose what balls to serve..............I did not know the women use a regular duty(clay court ball) and the men use the extra duty ball. QUESTION?.........WHAT BALL DO THEY USE FOR MIXED AT THE OPEN?? |
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Posted by TennisFan2 (vamos flying under radar) |
09/07/2009 at 09:38 AM |
Steve, I always look forward to your articles and find you offer great insight into the players and matches but this time I just can't rally behind your support for Gimelstob. He's awful. He may be a great guy in the men's locker room but that personality does not work on television - especially for tennis where you will find as many female fans as male watching the broadcasts. He's grating at the least and nonsensical at best.
Martina on the other hand has been a teriffic addition to the booth. My husband and I both love listening to her match comments - especially yesterday during Panetta/Zevonereva. She provides loads of interesting information and insight into match play and players' psyche.
I enjoy Darren Cahill and wish he'd get a bit more air time during the matches and I love Johnny Mac as the "color" guy. Even Brad Gilbert has come along with his goofy but interesting insight.
I would love to see Andre Agassi get some time in the booth. He'd be a pleasure to watch and listen to. :-) |
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Posted by Philip |
09/07/2009 at 09:49 AM |
I liked your comments about Marat Safin. Having been friends with many Russians since just before the fall of the Soviet Union, I have witnessed a deep sense of comradery among people rather than a need for individuality or for standing out above others. Makes you wonder about Safina's struggle with the number 1 ranking and the 'star' factor associated with it, something that Serena seems to feel entitled to, which is probably why she isn't that endeared by the other players -that is what I sense, anyway. |
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Posted by princepro110 |
09/07/2009 at 10:01 AM |
USTA Website:
Who is this guy Matt Cronin who does the daily picks for the USTA site. He has got a great batting average is at best .500 which is great in baseball but brutal on making picks. He got the obvious ones right yesterday in Nadal & Murray winning but.............Venus Williams over Clijsters & picking Berdych over Gonzalez "you can't be serious"!!
Andre Agassi in the both for the first set last Monday gave me more insight into the real inside game that I never heard from our other talking heads! His commentary about playing with in wind and reading serves from the toss was outstanding. He was great!! I think he will be in the booth sooner than later as his kids get older. What an intelligent guy!
Steve.....since you play your tennis in this area.....why in the world would the city of New York put some hard courts down with only single lines painted????? We played yesterday on the courts along the Hudson River off Houston Street that were set up this way?????????????????? It was most likely a guy working for Rudy when he was Mayor who despised tennis! |
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Posted by jonepstein |
09/07/2009 at 11:33 AM |
i really like what the tennis channel has done with martina nav and jimmy connors together in the commentating booth. two of the best ever together is like a match made in tennis heaven. |
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Posted by Ade |
09/07/2009 at 12:18 PM |
I've always liked Andre, never loved the guy, but have a deep respect for what he does for children. Thought I was liking him more except for one comment he made about Nadal and Federer while throwing in his comments the other night. He said if Nadal wins the USOPEN, then questions will start forming concerning Roger being the GOAT. Like as if Nadal can win 8 more slams easily. Realistically, I think that would be some tall order for someone with such a physical game.
Agassi may be intelligent, but apparently he must have forgotten the number 15 in his theory.
Connors also probably lost a lot of fans (particulary Fedfans) when he remarked yesterday about "any conversations of a GOAT "is ridiculous because in the "old days" they trained differently? What?
I guess he forgot the number 15 also, and apparently is confused reading the stats about the records Federer has broken. I think he made a big mistake saying that on national TV.
Like Connors, I did enjoy the Panetta, Vera match yesterday as it was refreshing to see 2 players just play. Quickly.
Lindsay is a great commentator, very real, smart, and friendly. Love her new role.
I like Venus (100 times better than her sister) and felt for her loss but it's good to see a strong competitor back who can challenge the sisters. Kim is another quick player and never bores us with rituals taking forever between points. |
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Posted by manuelsantanafan |
09/07/2009 at 04:44 PM |
Fed's 15 majors is not dispositive to the GOAT discussion in light of the fact that players like tennis legends Rosewall, Laver, and Pancho Gonzales were not allowed to enter the majors for many years (over 30 years for the three of them combined).
BTW, I doubt that Connors cares what "Fedfans" think of him, especially those "Fedfans" who come up with lame GOAT arguments. |
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Posted by Gavin |
09/07/2009 at 05:21 PM |
Steve - excellent post, como sempre.
Do you know if it's possible to get a copy of the ATA photo? I'd love to get one.
Thanks! |
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Posted by Tim (2009 Year of Red Rogie ) |
09/07/2009 at 06:13 PM |
proof that chip and charge serve and voley tennis is extinct, dent vs. murray...
feddie knows of what he speaks u just cant do it anymore full time, its pick and choose at best, but the racquets and strings now allow anyone to pass and return from 20 feet behind the baseline, so... stay back and work the point, or die |
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Posted by Marshall1 |
09/08/2009 at 01:21 AM |
yeah, i do think Almagro has too much respect for Nadal....lol
he will be up and then thinks he probably doesn't deserve it and loses it right away
he need a head coach, add some confidence....then uses his weapon, then he could easily wipe away nadal |
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Posted by barry (not Barry) |
09/08/2009 at 07:23 AM |
anyone notice Roger Fed utilizing his free match time against Tommy Robredo to prepare for Murray, JMDP, or Rafa? Served and volleyed a few inconsequential points, practice and a preview for his final round match? |
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Posted by kingtime |
09/08/2009 at 07:24 AM |
Those last 2 sets Federer played yesterday against #14 Robredo were very high level and almost unbeatable, and they remind me of Cincinnati semis and finals 2 - 3 weeks ago and the US Opens of years past when he blew out other top players late in the tournament. My point is if he plays like that, if he is fit, healthy, focused, determined and well rested, he will win career US Open title #6 and career Grand Slam title #16 by beating Djokovic in the semis again and either Murray in the finals again or Nadal, Del Potro or even Tsonga in the finals for the first time in the US Open.
If Federer plays his game forcing his terms and is fit, healthy, determined, focused and well rested, it's his title for the taking again and his title to win again. |
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Posted by Lynne (Rafalite) |
09/08/2009 at 11:43 AM |
My dream team of commentators would be Connors,Courier and Lindsay, with Andre thrown in whenever he can do it!
Gimelstob is an absolute nightmare, I don't know why they keep him on! |
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Posted by Aussiemarg aka Madame President Its Time To Rock and Roll,US Open |
09/08/2009 at 01:01 PM |
Thanks Steve.gee what a bummer to catch a cold,maybe the change in seasons.
Well reading your posts makes me jealous for one.I would have loved to be in the room for Marats interview.Dam.
Always interesting to hear the many great former players now commentating.With their own brand of thoughts and personal feelings having played at Grand Slam level.
Dont forget to keep up the liquids with your cold.Hey I dont mean the alchol variety either lol.! |
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Posted by kchowcrazy - Get Your 12th ReRe!!! |
09/08/2009 at 01:02 PM |
Have only seen a bit of the american commentary when im watching a stream (i'm in the uk) but pam shriver (?) is so annoying it is unbelievable! |
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Posted by Jim |
09/08/2009 at 02:30 PM |
If Twitter isn't paying Gimelstob to plug its service, I'll eat my hat. He mentions it CONSTANTLY, even in his post-match interview of Andy Murray. |
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Posted by cmac |
09/08/2009 at 02:52 PM |
Oh please, Gimelstob is an embarrassment. The way he always looks at the camera is hilarious. |
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