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Bercy Diary: Dolls and Bunnies 11/11/2010 - 10:55 AM

Rod

by Gauloises, TW Contributing Writer

8.15 a.m. - While breakfasting on ham and madeleines, I contemplate the order of play. It’s a big day; the top seeds are playing their first matches, which means that many players we’ve watched and cheered for over the past few days will be running smack into the elite of the game. It’s going to be a day of tough choices about what to watch; there’s no time to waste.

10.35 a.m. - Waste valuable time being propositioned by the guy with one eye who hands out the free newspapers outside Bercy metro station.

11.03 a.m. - Through security (“for you, no problem!”) and wait outside the arena for a break in play. Roddick is serving for the set at 5-1 and it’s clear that as hungry as Nieminen appeared against Malisse, Roddick on a fast court is simply a class above. I pick up a copy of the OOP and realize Marin Cilic is playing Sergiy Stakhovsky on Court 1. Knowing Marin as I do, it’s clear his need will be greater.

11.11 a.m. - Settle into a mainly deserted Court 1. With the blue and green walls and various susurrations of machinery, it’s like being underwater. Cilic is facing break points right, left and centre in the second set. I watch and try to understand how, with all that game and his physical gifts, he isn’t a permanent fixture in the Top 10. The charitable interpretation is that he still has a way to go.

11.51 a.m. - The first gut-wrenching choice of a packed day’s play confronts me; to leave Cilic now seems tantamount to abandonment, but Roddick has just served out the match and Djokovic will be next on centre. The thought of Djokovic’s traditional Bercy entrance in a Halloween mask makes up my mind for me.

11.53 a.m. - The James Bond music and light show somehow doesn’t seem so inappropriate when the one being introduced is Djokovic.

11.55 a.m. - He’s not wearing a Halloween mask! I abandoned Cilic for this?!

12.10 p.m. - Monaco is hitting the ball exceptionally cleanly, absorbing and redirecting pace effortlessly. Djokovic, on the other hand, doesn’t look fully awake and his game as yet has no bite. It’s a predictable early break for Monaco, and we eat our first ficelles and settle in for a long match.

But part of being a champion is having the wherewithal to change the flow of play when the match isn’t going your way. Djokovic starts by attacking the net, forcing an edge of aggression into his play. Monaco is left stranded and looking ordinary, confronting the limitations of his game. The elderly French couple behind us are swiftly sighing ooh la la . . . after each point.

Match point comes and just like that, Monaco is leaving the court disregarded while Djokovic earns a huge roar of applause for speaking to the crowd in French. When he hits the ball into the stands, a white-haired gentlemen plucks it from the air in a neat disply of left-handed fielding, then hands it proudly to his teenage daughter. At least we hope she’s his daughter.

Andy 1.55 p.m. - Murray and Nalbandian are underway. We have a lovely view of Murray’s unbelievable defense, and a perfect one of Nalbandian’s sharp, lethal mid-court volleys. I abandon journalistic impartiality, resign myself to being publicly British, and give it some . . . C’mon Andy!

He doesn’t. He’s punching his strings, looking distinctly unhappy with life. I should be despairing, but I’m finding it impossible not to rejoice in Nalbandian’s stunning play, forehands into the corners as flat and precise as bullets, lobs on the run that seem laser-targeted. The Argentine is utterly in control.

The worst part about live tennis is how a favourite’s defeat can impact your day. My friend is rapidly descending into the blackest of moods while I try to persuade her there’s still hope. Murray follows in Djokovic’s footsteps by finding another gear to his game. He starts the second set with consecutive serve and volleys and makes the most of his own excellent net skills. At least he’s trying to do something different, I tell my friend. She grunts something unintelligible. There’s a reason that he’s good, I say to her (but mostly to myself). There’s a reason that he’s good.

3.00 p.m. - And there it is. Nalbandian’s level drops and Murray steals the second set out from under him. Having demonstrated that he can survive a period of less-than-spectacular play and still find himself well in the match, the momentum is always in his favour in the third set, and even a painful wrist can’t prevent him from reaching the next round. By the end, Nalbandian looks impotent and furious.

4.01 p.m. - I have finally found the secret smoking area by the river. My joy is tempered by the news that while I have been watching the tennis, Amelie Mauresmo has been in the press centre. Not all choices work out for the best.

4.13 p.m. - Rather than listen to the drums for Llodra, I decide to prove my theory that doubles on Court 2 is the hot ticket, opting for Ljubicic and Cilic against the Bryan brothers. Maybe I’m seeing them on an off day, but I’m not that impressed by the Bryans. All the while, the Croatians were more charimsatic. They alternate hitting eye-catching winners with ugly misses, and laugh with each other and their coaches.

The Bryans are poker-faced, communicating in monosyllables - “yeah?” “Right.” “Dude.” “Yeah.” But in the crucial moments, they summon their best play with the assurance that comes with the mastery of their craft.

The Croatians push them hard, but lose by the narrowest of margins in two tiebreak sets. As we leave the court, a Bryan says to me, “Thanks for watching,” with such sincerity that I take back at least half the negative things I’ve ever said about them.

5.58 p.m. The magic of live tennis. A match that you thought was going to be merely a pleasant way of passing the time becomes the most absorbing thing you’ve seen all day. David Ferrer and Fabio Fognini on a packed Court 1 are locked in a battle that’s compelling from the start, not least because of the similarities in their style of play.

Between points, Ferrer paces the baseline with grim determination, round-shouldered and never still; Fognini has a cocky strut, he's a Ken doll to Ferrer’s Energizer bunny. When a rally starts, however, they trade hammer blows from the baseline, running what seems like miles in a single point. They trade breaks, then split sets; Ferrer bellows in frustration like a wounded bull, while Fognini lets loose streams of Italian invective, helpfully translated and thus rendered unrepeatable by our acquaintance from Milan.

7.02 p.m. - Into a third set, and the spectators are leaving in droves to take their seats for Federer-Gasquet, but we and a few others are staying at our posts like the band on the Titanic.

Ferrer is still unable to read the Fognini serve or eliminate the unforced errors from his game, but he seems to play better—or at any rate run faster—the longer the match goes on. He throws himself bodily into his forehands so that his feet rise high above the surface. This is a player who makes his living punching above his weight, and attempting to out-Ferrer Ferrer can only take Fognini so far.

When match point comes and goes, it’s the Spaniard waving and basking in the fervent applause. The TV coverage might have cut away to more glamorous climes, and he doesn’t get the light show, but a different James Bond theme comes to mind—Nobody Does It Better. Ferrer may not be the best player in the world, but he’s proved once again that he’s the best at what he does.

8.13 p.m. - Still buzzing, we secure tickets for tomorrow—we haven’t had nearly enough of this—and take our seats on centre court. Federer already leads Gasquet by a set and a break, and despite the packed arena and hypnotic drum beat between points, there’s nothing here that can match the intensity of what we’ve just witnessed.

9.57 p.m. - Soderling has taken the first set without doing very much, and it’s obvious that the frisson has left the building for the day. We decide to do the same.

10.18 p.m. - Disembarking the metro at Chatelet, we’re accosted by an unsavory gentleman who persists in trying to set up a rendez-vous. So much for James Bond.

11.05 p.m. - Back to our tiny, rented apartment. And now, to write …


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Posted by Aussiemarg,Madame President,Dear Wayne is Free,VamosWayne 11/11/2010 at 04:56 PM

Wowser shot Muzz with the cross court passer from his shoes

Posted by Aussiemarg,Madame President,Dear Wayne is Free,VamosWayne 11/11/2010 at 04:57 PM

Good ROS Muzz low thats the way

Posted by Aussiemarg,Madame President,Dear Wayne is Free,VamosWayne 11/11/2010 at 04:58 PM

Okay Muzz that was insane ROS

Glad you can smile

Posted by Aussiemarg,Madame President,Dear Wayne is Free,VamosWayne 11/11/2010 at 05:00 PM

Hmmmm Yippe t/break

Posted by sisu 11/11/2010 at 05:00 PM

Marin, the TB can be yours. Believe! ;))

Posted by Aussiemarg,Madame President,Dear Wayne is Free,VamosWayne 11/11/2010 at 05:00 PM

Muzz that was just stupid?

Posted by Aussiemarg,Madame President,Dear Wayne is Free,VamosWayne 11/11/2010 at 05:01 PM

Good 1st serve Marin 3-0

Posted by Aussiemarg,Madame President,Dear Wayne is Free,VamosWayne 11/11/2010 at 05:02 PM

Thats the way Marin taking the ball early and has won 7 points on the trot

Posted by Aussiemarg,Madame President,Dear Wayne is Free,VamosWayne 11/11/2010 at 05:03 PM

Muzz this is a hard court by the way

Posted by sisu 11/11/2010 at 05:03 PM

4/1 Marin. Nice. So far.

Posted by sisu 11/11/2010 at 05:04 PM

Another FH miss 4/2 Marin. Focus, please.

Posted by Aussiemarg,Madame President,Dear Wayne is Free,VamosWayne 11/11/2010 at 05:04 PM

Marin 4-2

Muzz think about what your doing out there

Posted by Old man Fed fan 11/11/2010 at 05:05 PM

Oy, oy. Djoker out. Muzz is about to go out. you-know-who never came... Now it's old man Fed's time to win this Paris indoor. He just needs to beat Melzer, Cilic, and his toy Roddick or Davy D.

That would leave only Monte Carlo and Rome for Fed to win to comeplete 8 mater series sweep, which no one has ever done. Unfortunately for Fed, winning both of those will be highly unlikely because of you-know-who...

Posted by Aussiemarg,Madame President,Dear Wayne is Free,VamosWayne 11/11/2010 at 05:05 PM

Gotta move your feet Marin

Marin 4-3

Posted by sisu 11/11/2010 at 05:06 PM

Yikes, FH into the net. 4/3 Marin.

Andy to serve.

Posted by Aussiemarg,Madame President,Dear Wayne is Free,VamosWayne 11/11/2010 at 05:06 PM

Marin come on you were in a good postion u/errors now

4 all

Murray 5-4

Posted by sisu 11/11/2010 at 05:07 PM

Andy in the lead 5/4.

Posted by Aussiemarg,Madame President,Dear Wayne is Free,VamosWayne 11/11/2010 at 05:07 PM

5 all

Marin with one more serve

Posted by Blue moon 11/11/2010 at 05:08 PM

Ugh. It's just depressing to watch. Maybe I'm lucky the stream just died again.

Posted by Aussiemarg,Madame President,Dear Wayne is Free,VamosWayne 11/11/2010 at 05:09 PM

Cedric on this match too pfft.

Cilic bends his knee on his f/hand

Cilic with set point

Posted by CL 11/11/2010 at 05:09 PM

***waves to all*** hope I got all of the Feddy match on disc...sounds like fun...except for the ankle tweak.

Yes to Marin doing some Muzz damage.

Yes to being born in Switz being an advantage in the language skills dept. A bit like Gov. Anne Richarson's joke about George H. W. Bush..."he was born on third base and thinks he hit a home run."

I am the one who may have inadvertently 'ginned' up Novak's language skill set...I was going by my always shaky memory. So if I got it wrong, I apologize. I do disagree with Tulia though about 'no need for pressers in multiple languages.' I think that almost everyone who has compared Fed's pressers language to language finds differences; sometimes minor, often subtle and oftener interesting. I am sure the same holds true of other players..


c'mon Marin!!!!! Don't left the Muzzy worm off the hook.

Posted by sisu 11/11/2010 at 05:09 PM

You can do it Marin. Yes! 6/5. Andy to serve. Ace to 6 all.

Posted by Aussiemarg,Madame President,Dear Wayne is Free,VamosWayne 11/11/2010 at 05:10 PM

Wow Murray that was just in

6 ALL

Murray with one more serve

2nd serve for Murray

Murray 7-6 good variety of pace and Marin shot finds the net

Posted by tina (ajde, Novak: handsome and talented Balkans #1, world #3, Davis Cup hero, AO 2008 titleist, reigning USO finalist, cutest butt in tennis, rapper, the face of Belgrade t-shirts, Novak water and Restaurant - don't u wish your polyglot was hott like me) 11/11/2010 at 05:10 PM

OT follow-up alert:

My mother's parents immigrated to the US from Croatia as children, but after 64 years living here, my grandfather could barely speak English, as he worked with fellow Croats. My grandmother became fluent because she had far more interaction with the "outside world", be it Mass in English, or doing her errands. My mother never had any interest in the language, common for first generation Americans. Back at school, Latin and French were required, and later I picked up Italian. I am not elderly, but in middle age, I'm finding Croatian very difficult, even if knowing Latin grammar gives me an advantage. Also, there are countries (Germany, France) where I believe there is an insistence on dubbing instead of subtitles. In Croatia, it's the opposite. So if I'm watching English-language television there, it's easy to get lazy and not follow the subtitles. It's good for them learning English, but really bad for me. Ladies of a certain class prefer to converse with me in French, and old fishermen often speak Italian. Younger people often want to practice their English with me as I'm the lone "amerikanka" on my island. I can follow the news in Croatian, but usually because I've already read the local papers.

At some point in the old Yugoslav days, Russian was required, German strongly recommended. Since the break-up, clearly English is pushed more in all former Republics. Slovenians my age are all so multi-lingual, it's embarrassing to me. But then, Slovenian is quite different from Serbian and Croatian, so people younger than I never had to learn them all. My American friends in Slovenia want to take Croatian courses with *me*. Ha!

Posted by Master Ace 11/11/2010 at 05:11 PM

"Unfortunately for Fed, winning both of those will be highly unlikely because of you-know-who..."

Old man Fed fan,
Could that be the current number 1 player who resides in Spain? Most precisely, Mallorca. Also, is Nadal the last name of this player?

Posted by sisu 11/11/2010 at 05:11 PM

So bad. Another FH error. Murray takes the 1st set.

Posted by Aussiemarg,Madame President,Dear Wayne is Free,VamosWayne 11/11/2010 at 05:12 PM

Murray takes the 1st set 76

Muzz dont feed Marin pace he just feeds of it

Keep variety in your shots

Marin you have yourself to blame you should have taken that t/break you were 4-1 up

Posted by Aussiemarg,Madame President,Dear Wayne is Free,VamosWayne 11/11/2010 at 05:13 PM

Master Ace Rafa who???

Posted by Tuulia 11/11/2010 at 05:15 PM

CL, you're misinterpreting me. In general pressers in multiple languages is a good thing for sure and I'm all for it. And I agree with your follow-up point.

Posted by Master Ace 11/11/2010 at 05:16 PM

Aussiemarg,
Never heard of Rafa. Wonder if Old Man Fed fan heard of the name?

Posted by Aussiemarg,Madame President,Dear Wayne is Free,VamosWayne 11/11/2010 at 05:17 PM

Blue Moon Chin Up ok

Murray has been wriggling his wrist he is not playing his best tennis

I thought Marin should have won that t/break

Posted by Aussiemarg,Madame President,Dear Wayne is Free,VamosWayne 11/11/2010 at 05:18 PM

Master Ace Maybe

Posted by CWATC 11/11/2010 at 05:18 PM

Wow, I was curious to see this match as I hadn't watched Cilic forever and wondered what had happened to him to get him to lose all the time. Now I know; no confidence; UE's whenever he gets ahead.
Sad set of tennis to watch.
With all due respect to Muzz, he wasn't the one controlling things out there.

Posted by Tuulia 11/11/2010 at 05:20 PM

tina, your "OT" was very interesting, thanks.

Posted by Aussiemarg,Madame President,Dear Wayne is Free,VamosWayne 11/11/2010 at 05:21 PM

CWATC Agree.Marin was on a roll in that t.break and he should have won it

This has been his main problem.He has to believe more and that hard court suits his game

Posted by sisu 11/11/2010 at 05:25 PM

tina, your comment was so much better than this match. Thanks. ;))

I feel badly for Marin and I'm sending him a hug.

Posted by tina (ajde, Novak: handsome and talented Balkans #1, world #3, Davis Cup hero, AO 2008 titleist, reigning USO finalist, cutest butt in tennis, rapper, the face of Belgrade t-shirts, Novak water and Restaurant - don't u wish your polyglot was hott like me) 11/11/2010 at 05:29 PM

@CL - You didn't "gin up" Novak's languages at all, he's fluent in English and German, very comfortable in French and Italian and Russian, similar enough to Serbian that sometimes I can understand it.

I think it's great when players can give trophy speeches in the tournament's local language, but separate pressers is a bit too much. The tennis journalists from the whole of former Yu can fit at a large dinner table. And I'm sure they do.

Was it only a year ago that Marin beat Murray something like 6-3, 6-2? Seems so far away now....

Posted by Aussiemarg,Madame President,Dear Wayne is Free,VamosWayne 11/11/2010 at 05:37 PM

Okay Cilic with a good deep f.hand

B.point

Come On Marin you are looking at a 2nd serve

Pfft.

Posted by Aussiemarg,Madame President,Dear Wayne is Free,VamosWayne 11/11/2010 at 05:38 PM

Muzz d/faults

Marin with another b/point

Take this marin

Posted by Aussiemarg,Madame President,Dear Wayne is Free,VamosWayne 11/11/2010 at 05:38 PM

Yahoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Cilic with a winning f/hand and he finaly breaks

Posted by Blue moon 11/11/2010 at 05:39 PM

Cilic breaks again--! Stop toying with my emotions, Marin! I'm being Marin-ated in a vat of burning emotional turm-oil.

Posted by CL 11/11/2010 at 05:39 PM

Tuulia - you from earlier:

"In most cases there is no need for pressers in 3 languages (or even 2)."

Though I guess 'need' and 'good/interesting' are different things. Mostly, I think we are suffering from language breakdown in a discussion abut language. lol.

tina- I also awarded him Spanish...which I am not sure is part of his arsenal. (Doesn't Muzz speak Spanish because of time he spent training there? Also seem to remember that Marat learned Spanish because he trained in Spain. Where it rained. Marat would sound exactly like "Spanish Language Buzz" from Toy Story3. ;-) But I digress....again.)

Anyway - the one thing there seems to be universal agreement about is that the Americans, with very few, and already mentioned exceptions, are the worst at mastering any language outside of their own version of English. Although, maybe the Aussies give us a go?

Posted by CL 11/11/2010 at 05:41 PM

That picture of Roddick makes me think he is saying, "Is this a tennis ball I see before me?"

Watching my Fed tape now...StepsoftheUglyShirt giving Fed all kinds of Fits.

Posted by tina (ajde, Novak: handsome and talented Balkans #1, world #3, Davis Cup hero, AO 2008 titleist, reigning USO finalist, cutest butt in tennis, rapper, the face of Belgrade t-shirts, Novak water and Restaurant - don't u wish your polyglot was hott like me) 11/11/2010 at 05:43 PM

I'm glad some of you appreciated my long OT post, as I was writing it while not watching (only listening to) this match.

Marin's big inside-out forehand is the shot that earned him all the hype. Glad to have seen a couple of those. Even more glad to see him fighting his way back into this match. AJMO!

Posted by Aussiemarg,Madame President,Dear Wayne is Free,VamosWayne 11/11/2010 at 05:45 PM

Marin consolidates his break

Marin 5-2 and Murray to serve

I think Marin can win this match cause Murry I feel just wants to get off the court now

Marin finding good balance

Muzz this is a hard court and playing passive wont get you anywhere

Posted by Aussiemarg,Madame President,Dear Wayne is Free,VamosWayne 11/11/2010 at 05:50 PM

Cilic 2nd set 6-3 and he has turned his match around

Marin only made 3 u/errors on his f.hand in this 2md set

Posted by Blue moon 11/11/2010 at 05:51 PM

I was going to say I wish Fed could have met today's Murray. But he wasn't all that great today either... couldn't win a deuce point to save his life. Has anyone's game looked really good today?

Posted by tina (ajde, Novak: handsome and talented Balkans #1, world #3, Davis Cup hero, AO 2008 titleist, reigning USO finalist, cutest butt in tennis, rapper, the face of Belgrade t-shirts, Novak water and Restaurant - don't u wish your polyglot was hott like me) 11/11/2010 at 05:52 PM

CL, I cannot confirm Spanish, but if he's made the leap from Serbian to Italian and French, Spanish wouldn't surprise me in the least. He trained in Germany with Niki Pilić. But with all the Spanish guys on tour, surely a guy who enjoys picking up languages has collected that one, too. He takes his "businessman" role seriously, and as long as Serbia remains an international pariah, one must learn to conduct business in other languages.

Posted by Tim (Moonpies lead to violence!) 11/11/2010 at 06:00 PM

its so much more fun to watch with all the serve volley and mixing it up this week, why dont they quicken up the courts at least half the time? the endless rallies and back and forth that comes with slow courts does not do the game justice, this is far more fun to watch, its less predictable ...

Fred looks great

Posted by CL 11/11/2010 at 06:01 PM

Blue Moon - well I haven't seen it yet, but apparently Fed's second set against Stepanek was quite "spiffy" as Mary C. likes to say.

tina- your 'language' for life and living stuff has been fascinating. thanks. :-) How was Maine?

Posted by CL 11/11/2010 at 06:02 PM

Oh Marin! Please? Pretty please!?!

Posted by Aussiemarg,Madame President,Dear Wayne is Free,VamosWayne 11/11/2010 at 06:03 PM

Marin please dont do this

Muzz with 3 breaks points

Making too many u/errors like you tidyed them up in the 2nd set

Muzz breaks

Murrya 3-1 3rd set and will serve

Posted by Blue moon 11/11/2010 at 06:04 PM

CL: Oh, good. I only watched the first set of it, which was a bit tough.

And Cilic's errors are back. D:

Posted by Aussiemarg,Madame President,Dear Wayne is Free,VamosWayne 11/11/2010 at 06:06 PM

Muzz love service game to love

Insane James Bond music in the backgound someone Kill that person who keeps playing it

Murray 4-1 and Cilic will serve

Posted by vetmama 11/11/2010 at 06:08 PM

Blue Moon -

I would say that this kind of fast surface would favor an attacking player like Roger more than a defender like Murray, no matter what kind of day Murray is having.

I'd love for them to face off in this tournament to test my theory.
Either Roger will have a chance to help his H2H against Andy, or I'll have egg on my face. :)

Posted by Aussiemarg,Madame President,Dear Wayne is Free,VamosWayne 11/11/2010 at 06:12 PM

Murray 5-2 3rd set

Posted by Holds2Love 11/11/2010 at 06:13 PM

vetmama: "I'd love for them to face off in this tournament to test my theory."

+1

It's been interesting to see the style of play rewarded by this surface, witness Llodra earlier.

Posted by vetmama 11/11/2010 at 06:13 PM

Also...you don't think Roger played well today? Really?

Maybe it's just me, or we saw another match. :)

I thought he was returning aggressively, so of course sometimes it could go awry.
It seemed that he was constantly pressuring Steps, and making him have to come up with the goods on serve, over and over.

The main reason that Rog didn't break more often I think was the high quality of Stepanek's serve, even in the face of all that aggression.
Then again, I'm not the best at match analysis. Andrew?

Posted by tina (ajde, Novak: handsome and talented Balkans #1, world #3, Davis Cup hero, AO 2008 titleist, reigning USO finalist, cutest butt in tennis, rapper, the face of Belgrade t-shirts, Novak water and Restaurant - don't u wish your polyglot was hott like me) 11/11/2010 at 06:14 PM

Maine was lovely, though rainy. We did hike in Acadia on the most perfect Fall day, visited Blueberry World, even though like much on Mount Desert it was closed for the season. Rainy days were spent reading by the fire, cooking, and watching TCM, and "Nosferatu" on dvd for Halloween. We saw that Plymouth had likely had snow, and were glad to be on the Coast instead. Before heading all the way up to Deer Isle, we spent a couple of days knocking around Portland, and stopped at LL Bean's grave in Freeport.

Tim likes unpredictability? Right on, dude - I thought predictability was your thing. :))

Posted by Blue moon 11/11/2010 at 06:14 PM

vetmama, I draw consolation from that thought. Still, Marin should really have won this one. I guess there's still a little hope. Cilic to serve, 5-2*.

Posted by Aussiemarg,Madame President,Dear Wayne is Free,VamosWayne 11/11/2010 at 06:14 PM

Vetmama Dont worry Roger will have Murray for breakfast the way he is playing.

Posted by Blue moon 11/11/2010 at 06:16 PM

vetmama, I think it was just the first eight games that didn't go great. It may have been Stepanek coming out well.

Posted by Aussiemarg,Madame President,Dear Wayne is Free,VamosWayne 11/11/2010 at 06:16 PM

Murray will serve for the match 5-3 3rd set

Posted by vetmama 11/11/2010 at 06:16 PM

AM, I have to say I'm thoroughly enjoying watching Rog at this tournament, even more than at Basel, which was good too.

It reminds me of those exhos that Federer played with Sampras, although I don't think that even Paris is as fast as that was.

Boom Boom Tennis.

Posted by Diane 11/11/2010 at 06:17 PM

Hi all

Haven't posted since I spent two weeks in Aruba but after watching Roger today I must say that I think that his form is close to the mighty Fed! Loved how all his shots seemed to work today.
Seems like Andy M is in control here so no drama in this match.
Hubby just left to go to the Falcons game....go Matt Ryan!

Posted by tina (ajde, Novak: handsome and talented Balkans #1, world #3, Davis Cup hero, AO 2008 titleist, reigning USO finalist, cutest butt in tennis, rapper, the face of Belgrade t-shirts, Novak water and Restaurant - don't u wish your polyglot was hott like me) 11/11/2010 at 06:17 PM

Even if it means Čilić losing, I hope they wrap this up fast - my dinner is nearly ready. Surely I can read the rest of the match call later?

Posted by Aussiemarg,Madame President,Dear Wayne is Free,VamosWayne 11/11/2010 at 06:18 PM

Vetmama Roger has been playing great tennis at Basel and now here

Always a pleasure to watch for me

Though as yet I havent seen Mirka and her Fab bag.pff

Posted by Aussiemarg,Madame President,Dear Wayne is Free,VamosWayne 11/11/2010 at 06:19 PM

Murray d Cilic 76,36,63

Posted by tina (ajde, Novak: handsome and talented Balkans #1, world #3, Davis Cup hero, AO 2008 titleist, reigning USO finalist, cutest butt in tennis, rapper, the face of Belgrade t-shirts, Novak water and Restaurant - don't u wish your polyglot was hott like me) 11/11/2010 at 06:22 PM

Well, it was nice to see glimpses of last year's Čilić. I think this tournament is "over" for me now...

Posted by Aussiemarg,Madame President,Dear Wayne is Free,VamosWayne 11/11/2010 at 06:22 PM

May I say I am delighted to see Llodra playing well here

Allez Llodra and hope you can go far in this tournament

Posted by Question 11/11/2010 at 06:23 PM

Hi. Is tennis channel not showing the late matches? I recorded their telecast and didn't see Roger's matches on either of the days. Are they showing the late matches separately?
Thanks.

Posted by Aussiemarg,Madame President,Dear Wayne is Free,VamosWayne 11/11/2010 at 06:23 PM

There is No Way I will match call Murray v Monfils

I have run out of drugs and I have no intention of going to the chemist for supplies

Posted by Tuulia 11/11/2010 at 06:28 PM

"Tuulia - you from earlier:

"In most cases there is no need for pressers in 3 languages (or even 2)."

Though I guess 'need' and 'good/interesting' are different things. Mostly, I think we are suffering from language breakdown in a discussion abut language. lol."


CL, um, yes, but that's not where the problem is. I try again, ok?

I was trying to make a point why there may be actual need for Roger to have pressers in 3 languages and some others not, and that people who therefore conclude that Roger is linguistically more skillful than other players are pretty ignorant. (I'm not saying he doesn't have language skills, just that he doesn't have more language skills than players in general.) IIRC it was probably wilson75 who said the reason Roger gets more praise for language skills may be that he's the only one having pressers in 3 languages, and I agreed she might be right, so I wasn't questioning her, just those who make such assumptions based on number of presser languages.

I mentioned Rafa and Novak as examples. I won't go repeating it all again, but just shortly: Rafa doesn't have pressers in his own language except sometimes in his home country, so normally only in 2 languages, English and Spanish, and my assumption was that Novak doesn't normally have pressers in Serbian outside of Serbia - tina would know, and her comment above about the number of media from the area suggests my assumption is correct. Would Nieminen normally have pressers in Finnish in tournaments around the world? I'm also assuming no. He'd talk to the occasional Finnish reporter at a tournament one on one, not have a whole presser, so a presser only in 1 language, English. But that in itself is no reflection on language skills.

So, if the number of people needing a presser in a specific language is small then there is no need to have a presser in that language even if it is the player's first language.

Did I manage to make my point any clearer or did I make a bigger mess of it? :)

Posted by Tim (Moonpies lead to violence!) 11/11/2010 at 06:34 PM

there are plenty of rallies on this court, but there is also the clear opp to serve and volley or come in at random and hit a volley, most of the time its just battle of the up and back gourndstorkes, and we just watch endless rallies with no variety ... im enjoying all of the m atches way more than normal, its a great mix of the past and present, hello ATP, wake up! these quicksand hard courts seen all over the world need to quicken up, so there's a wide variety of speeds year round ...

Posted by Blue moon 11/11/2010 at 06:37 PM

Not to get too into the GLOAT discussion (greatest linguist of all time, naturally), but I was under the impression that the Swiss in general tend to have stronger language skills than others because of their culture. I assume Roger's pressers in French or what have you are less bumpy than some of Rafa's English ones. But this is not something I'm invested in, anyway. :P

Posted by sisu 11/11/2010 at 06:42 PM

Question - the matches are played all day and repeated through the night into the following morning.

Roger will play JurgenM tomorow at 1:30pm EST/TW time You might be able to catch Roger's match from today against Radek at approx. 3:30am Fri. morning (if I calculated it correctly).

Hope that helps.

Master Ace might be able to verify if he's about.

Posted by wilson75 11/11/2010 at 06:43 PM

vetmama: You might be on to something re. Murray v. Federer on a fast hardcourt. Most of Murray's wins have been on slow hardcourts. He has been struggling this tournament and has said that Paris is the fastest court he has ever played on. I always thought Cincy was the fastest but he says it's Paris. I think Murray's chances of winning a slam are better at AO than USO for that reason.

Posted by sisu 11/11/2010 at 06:46 PM

Question - forgot to say sometimes a match might start later than shown on the OOP if earlier matches run over but TTC is showing everything.

CL - so glad to have you back along with any of your digressions. ;))

Posted by Holds2Love 11/11/2010 at 06:46 PM

Blue Moon - hello, fellow de-lurker.

"GLOAT discussion" -v funny :-D

Posted by Tuulia 11/11/2010 at 06:47 PM

Blue moon, no GLOAT discussion going on here. :)
(well, tina might disagree ;) )

But since you mentioned those examples, well, if one gets put into a French language school as a youngster the chances are that one learns better French than a kid who doesn't get put into an English language school would learn English.

Posted by Aussiemarg,Madame President,Dear Wayne is Free,VamosWayne 11/11/2010 at 06:53 PM

Hi again Holds at Love

wilson75 I think Murray could win his 1st GS title at the USO though I have changed my mind

Plexicushion at the AO probably suits his game though as I watched the final this year with Federer it didnt help his cause

His main problem is that he plays too passive

He needs to be aware when playing defense to offense when to play the winning shot

Most times he just puts the ball back into play and then he loses his advantage

Posted by susan 11/11/2010 at 06:58 PM

In Bryan-speak, Nole is one smart dude.

I've been impressed since the time he mentioned in an ATP video that he was reading a book about the engineering genius Tesla, a very interesting man ( there's a story about his love for a pigeon that is fascinating). I think he was born in Serbia.

Posted by sisu 11/11/2010 at 06:58 PM

Belated welcome to Holds2Love. Glad you're continuing to delurk!

Finding the GLOAT discussions fascinating along with the term. ;))

Posted by wilson75 11/11/2010 at 07:00 PM

AM: I think a slow hardcourt allows Murray the luxury of playing his passive style. Hence he is more likely to win. If Monfils has his head screwed on right I think he can beat Murray but he is prone to passivity as well. It's going to be an ugly match tomorrow.

Posted by Aussiemarg,Madame President,Dear Wayne is Free,VamosWayne 11/11/2010 at 07:04 PM

wilson75 Hmmm We Gonna See No?

Though you have forgotton one important player whose game on the Plexicushion suits his game? that boy from Spain ummm Rafa somebody no?

I have no intention of calling that match

I am too young for a "straight jacket"

Posted by Holds2Love 11/11/2010 at 07:06 PM

Thanks, sisu. Hello AM and others.

Murray commented after the match that he often gets the late matches at Bercy. Didn't seem entirely pleased.

Posted by wilson75 11/11/2010 at 07:08 PM

AM: I'm saying the Plexicushion might suit Murray's game more than the faster USO surface. Rafa is not a passive player and is capable of adapting his game to any surface, a luxury Murray doesn't have.

Posted by wilson75 11/11/2010 at 07:12 PM

Holds2Love: There's no satisfying Murray. When he gets the midday time slot he complains he wants a nite match. He gets the nite match now he wants an earlier slot. Another reason I'm not fan, he whines too much.

Posted by Aussiemarg,Madame President,Dear Wayne is Free,VamosWayne 11/11/2010 at 07:13 PM

Welcome Holds to Love

Murray is a whinger ok

Moving on lol!

Posted by Lynne (Rafalite) 11/11/2010 at 07:14 PM

And another reason why I'm only a very part-time fan !

Posted by Holds2Love 11/11/2010 at 07:15 PM

yes, agree about Murray. that is the pattern.

Posted by Aussiemarg,Madame President,Dear Wayne is Free,VamosWayne 11/11/2010 at 07:15 PM

wilson75 Yes I know what you are saying

Sometimes I feel Murray hasnt got the same passion like Roger and Rafa especially on Big Points

That to me seperates players and Champion players like Roger and Rafa

Posted by Aussiemarg,Madame President,Dear Wayne is Free,VamosWayne 11/11/2010 at 07:17 PM

Lynne Hi! Murray just frustrates me at times

He has the potentional.I wish he would find it and win a GS title and move on

Also stop Whingeing!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by x-fan 11/11/2010 at 07:18 PM

That's Murray alright, Mopey :)
He's Ok otherwise somewhat shy so quite different to say Nole.

And talking about those two, where is Ladyjulia?
You're guy is still in it but mine isn't. I wonder if you're now rooting for Fed since he's playing great.

Btw, I didn't get to watch the match, did Llodra play great or was Nole below par?

Posted by lynhazel 11/11/2010 at 07:21 PM

oh my godness....i am a longtime lurker and very late to this post...but what wonderful writing...thank you gauloises...many mercis....now to catch up with the rest of the days events...

Posted by Lynne (Rafalite) 11/11/2010 at 07:22 PM

Hi, Aussiemarg : I will only be a full-time fan of Murray if he wins a slam next year ... and then a reluctant one as I don't care for his personality. But, you know, sometimes one has to to do ones patriotic duty, lol !

Posted by Aussiemarg,Madame President,Dear Wayne is Free,VamosWayne 11/11/2010 at 07:24 PM

Has anyone heard any news with Murray and a new coach for next year

I would love to do it

Though he hasnt got freinds like Miss A Wintour and he and I would end up fighting lol!

Posted by Aussiemarg,Madame President,Dear Wayne is Free,VamosWayne 11/11/2010 at 07:25 PM

Lynne LOL!

I know what you mean

Like being half French I have to like Monfils

Shoot Me Now!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by Carol 11/11/2010 at 07:25 PM

Hi everybody

I don't think that it's a big deal if Rafa has good english or not
He knows enough to be able to talk and to understand. In the future when he will get the retirement he will live in Mallorca so talking mallorqui and spanish will be more than enough

Tomorrow will be an interesting tennis day. I'm glad that Murray won
Poor Nole, he didn't have a good day, Llodra played really well
Ferru lost, I wasn't too much surprised playing against Mulzer who is one of the best in this tournament

Posted by Lynne (Rafalite) 11/11/2010 at 07:28 PM

Aussiemarg : Yes, I don't mind Gael, except when he is 'acting the fool.'

Otherwise he can be brilliant.

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